Ophiuchus (pronounced off-ee-YOO-cuss) represents a man with a snake coiled around his waist. He holds the head of the snake in his left hand and its tail in his right hand. The snake is represented by the constellation Serpens.
Ophiuchus holds a huge snake, Serpens, in both hands as shown in the Atlas Coelestis of John Flamsteed. Serpens is unique in being divided into two halves.
The Greeks identified him as Asclepius, the god of medicine. Asclepius was the son of Apollo and Coronis (although some say that his mother was Arsinoë). The story goes that Coronis two-timed Apollo by sleeping with a mortal, Ischys, while she was pregnant by Apollo. A crow brought Apollo the unwelcome news, but instead of the expected reward the crow, which until then had been snow-white, was cursed by Apollo and turned black.
In a rage of jealousy, Apollo shot Coronis with an arrow. Rather than see his child perish with her, Apollo snatched the unborn baby from its mother’s womb as the flames of the funeral pyre engulfed her, and took the infant to Chiron, the wise centaur (represented in the sky by the constellation Centaurus).
Chiron raised Asclepius as his own son, teaching him the arts of healing and hunting. Asclepius became so skilled in medicine that not only could he save lives, he could also raise the dead. On one occasion in Crete, Glaucus, the young son of King Minos, fell into jar of honey and drowned while at play. As Asclepius contemplated the body of Glaucus, a snake slithered towards it. He killed the snake with his staff; then another snake came along with a herb in its mouth and placed it on the body of the dead snake, which magically returned to life. Asclepius took the same herb and laid it on the body of Glaucus, who too was magically resurrected. (Robert Graves suggests that the herb was mistletoe, which the ancients thought had great regenerative properties, but perhaps it was actually willow bark, the source of salicylic acid, the active ingredient in aspirin.) Because of this incident, says Hyginus, Ophiuchus is shown in the sky holding a snake, which became the symbol of healing from the fact that snakes shed their skin every year and are thus seemingly reborn.
Others, though, say that Asclepius received from the goddess Athene the blood of Medusa the Gorgon. The blood that flowed from the veins on her left side was a poison, but the blood from the right side could raise the dead.
Someone else supposedly resurrected by Asclepius was Hippolytus, son of Theseus, who died when he was thrown from his chariot (some identify him with the constellation Auriga, the Charioteer). Reaching for his healing herbs, Asclepius touched the youth’s chest three times, uttering healing words, and Hippolytus raised his head.
Hades, god of the Underworld, began to realize that the flow of dead souls into his domain would soon dry up if this technique became widely known. He complained to his brother god Zeus who struck down Asclepius with a thunderbolt. Apollo was outraged at this harsh treatment of his son and retaliated by killing the three Cyclopes who forged Zeus’ thunderbolts. To mollify Apollo, Zeus made Asclepius immortal (in the circumstances he could hardly bring him back to life again) and set him among the stars as the constellation Ophiuchus.
The head of Ophiuchus is marked by its brightest star, second-magnitude Alpha Ophiuchi, called Rasalhague from the Arabic meaning ‘the head of the serpent collector’. Beta Ophiuchi is called Cebalrai from the Arabic for ‘the shepherd’s dog’; the Arabs visualized a shepherd (the star Alpha Ophiuchi) along with his dog and some sheep in this area. Ptolemy in the Almagest located Beta Ophiuchi in the serpent holder’s right shoulder, along with Gamma; the left shoulder is marked by Iota and Kappa Ophiuchi. A scattering of stars between the right shoulder of Ophiuchus and the tail of the serpent once formed the short-lived constellation Taurus Poniatovii.
Delta and Epsilon Ophiuchi are called Yed Prior and Yed Posterior. These are compound names, formed from the Arabic al-yad, meaning ‘hand’, with the Latin words Prior and Posterior added to give names meaning the ‘leading’ and ‘following’ parts of the hand, where Ptolemy had located them. The hand in question is the left one; the right hand, according to Ptolemy, was marked by the stars we now know as Nu and Tau Ophiuchi, but these have no proper names. Zeta and Eta Ophiuchi are his left and right knees, Rho and Theta Ophiuchi are in his feet.
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The Thirteenth Astrological Star Sign
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Ophiuchus (pronounced off-ee-YOO-cuss) represents a man with a snake coiled around his waist. He holds the head of the snake in his left hand and its tail in his right hand. The snake is represented by the constellation Serpens.
http://www.ianridpath.com/startales/ophiuchus.htm
The Zodiac
The 12 “star signs” the astrologers use are the constellations that fall on the ecliptic, otherwise referred to as the zodiac. The ecliptic is merely the path the sun seems to follow as the earth revolves around it. So, if on a certain date you looked at the sun, the current “star sign” would be the constellation directly behind the Sun.
Star Sign (Constellation).............Date
Sagittarius........................Nov 22 Dec 21
Capricornus.......................Dec 22 Jan 19
Aquarius...........................Jan 20 Feb 18
Pisces..............................Feb 19 Mar 20
Aries................................Mar 21 Apr 19
Taurus.............................Apr 20 May 20
Gemini..............................May 21 Jun 21
Cancer.............................Jun 22 Jul 22
Leo..................................Jul 23 Aug 22
Virgo................................Aug 23 Sep 22
Libra................................Sep 23 Oct 22
Scorpius...........................Oct 23 Nov 21
The zodiac is “A belt on the celestial sphere, about 8° either side of the ecliptic, which forms the background for the motions of the Sun, Moon, and planets.” The ecliptic passes through more than 12 constellations, it passes through 13, the thirteenth being Ophiuchus. Why do the astrologers ignore poor old Ophiuchus? Probably because it is not a particularly bright constellation. But that does not change the fact that the ecliptic passes through 13 constellations, not 12.
Star Sign (Constellation)..............Date
Sagittarius.........................Dec 18 Jan 18
Capricornus........................Jan 19 Feb 15
Aquarius............................Feb 16 Mar 11
Pisces...............................Mar 12 Apr 18
Aries.................................Apr 19 May 13
Taurus..............................May 14 Jun 19
Gemini...............................Jun 20 Jul 20
Cancer..............................Jul 21 Aug 09
Leo...................................Aug 10 Sep 15
Virgo.................................Sep 16 Oct 30
Libra.................................Oct 31 Nov 22
Scorpius............................Nov 23 Nov 29
Ophiuchus..........................Nov 30 Dec 17
http://www.aqua.co.za/assa_jhb/Canopus/c979zodi.htm
http://cosmos.swin.edu.au/entries/zodiac/zodiac.2.gif
http://www.big.com.au/fallen/ophiciana.jpg
The solar year has a little more than 364 days. The lunar month has just over 29 days. To reconcile these awkward figures the ancient astronomers devised a calendar of thirteen equal months, each of 28 days or four equal weeks. This calendar is all but regular, with the full moon falling one day and one hour later each month, and with only a small correction to be made at the end of the year.
The lunar months (or 'moon ths'), were represented in the skies by the constellations of the zodiac; and on the ground by a circle of trees in the sacred grove. Twelve of the signs of the zodiac are familiar to us from the astrology columns in the daily newspapers, but what happened to the thirteenth, and what was its symbol? This question can be answered by consulting the works of the ancient astronomers. Ptolemy of Alexandria gives the name of the constellation, and also the bearing and magnitude of the stars which form it. The constellation was called Ophicius (in Greek) and Serpentarius (in Latin). Both names mean 'snake-holder', and refer to the pythoness, the high priestess of the goddess temples. The symbol of this sign, a bare-breasted woman holding snakes, occurred in the Sumerian; Minoan, and other cultures of the Archaic period. Thus the missing month, the month that we disrupted an orderly calendar to avoid, was the month of the Goddess
Less familiar is the forgotten thirteenth sign, which lies "betwixt" them, Ophicius, the Snake-Holder, the symbol of which was a goddess or priestess brandishing two snakes, and which connoted the most important new moon in the goddess' lunar calendar. Milton, who also wrote the Book of Common Prayer used by Protestant congregations, has told us here in cryptic form that he was mindful that the Christian Satan (aka the Devil), was a new name given to an older but unmentionable deity, the goddess.
http://www.big.com.au/fallen/thirteen.html
Ophiuchus (IPA: [ˌoʊfiˈjukəs]), formerly referred to as Serpentarius (IPA: [ˌsɚpənˈtʰeɹiəs]), the former originating in the Greek language and the latter in the Latin language, both meaning "serpent-holder,"…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ophiuchus
More here...http://www.crystalinks.com/ophiuchus.html
THE WORD OBEAH
Now, while it is true that the ORIGIN of the word is indeed obscured and clouded in secrecy, it is primarily because Obeah, as implied above, is in itself clouded in secrecy --- being the remnant of a once very powerful and celebrated SECRET religious Order lost in the mist of time. Even so, slowly over the years clues have surfaced that indicate THAT particular secret religious Order emanated from a certain general geographical area. Those clues, few in number that they may be, strongly point to the fact that the Order originated in or around an area where the Egyptian language was either born, dominant, or used by the priests or religious class --- much as Latin is used by certain religious orders today --- with the power and knowledge of Obeah maintained and rising from the underground ashes of that dispersed Order over the centuries. Considering such a background, it is very probable the etymology of the word sprang from the Egyptian word Ob or Aub, meaning "serpent." Oph is a winged serpent or dragon; and Ab means wisdom/understanding, and together means "Serpent of Wisdom" or "Serpent of Knowledge." To this day Obion is still the Egyptian name for a serpent.....
Moses, who escaped with his people out of Egypt with the full might of the Pharaoh's army hot on their heels all the way to the Red Sea --- where the army reportedly then drowned --- forbade in the name of God, the Israelites even to enquire about the demon Ob, which is translated in the first testament as a necromancer, wizard, or Diviner. In today's world the various translations are wide enough to encompass the type shaman-sorcerer that the infamous Yaqui Indian Don Juan Matus apprenticed under, a Diablero, a new-world tribal spiritual elder known to embody a sense of evilness and the ability to shapeshift. Moses himself carries a great deal of importance in all those translations, including right up to this day with Obeah. Even though Moses forbade enquiry into Ob amongst his people, he is seen as the ultimate snake-charmer and among the greatest of magicians. When Moses doubted he was really hearing the voice of God, he was asked what he was holding in his hand. When he replied that he was holding a rod, he is commanded to throw it to the ground. When he does, the rod becomes a serpent. When he picks it up it becomes a rod again. Later, under the direction of Moses, when Aaron throws his rod down before Pharaoh, it becomes a snake as well.(Exodus 7:1-16).....
Throughout the ancient world, the Middle East and Egypt, because of the brilliantly clear desert night skys, the stars and the constellations carried deep significance, both for the wandering tribes such as those following Moses and the great civilizations and city-states such as Babylonia, Sumeria, and Egypt. Ophiuchus the Serpent Bearer is one of those desert-sky constellations. Most people pretty much know what the Zodiac is --- the constellations on the plane of the ecliptic through which the sun passes in the course of a year --- and what their "Sun Sign" is in relation to the Zodiac (i.e., Sagittarius, Taurus, etc.). What most people don't know is that there are actually thirteen Sun Signs, NOT twelve. According to the official modern constellation boundaries that astronomers use today, the sun passes through thirteen constellations, not twelve. The Greeks chose to remove one of the original thirteen constellations from the Zodiac in order to accomplish their desire to have each sign rule for an even 30º of sky, so they selected Ophiuchus to be eliminated. It can only be because of his origins in Egypt as one of their most powerful dieties, on par with Osiris and Thoth, all of whom answered only to Ra. Mysteriously enough, just like Obeah is secret, hidden, and unknown, the "thirteenth constellation" of the Zodiac, Ophiuchus the Serpent Bearer is secret, hidden, and unknown. About one person in twenty is an "Ophiuchus," and they don't even know it.....
The peoples of ancient times (most typically the Pythagoreans, but others as well) had a legend that a kind of Light, described as a "living fire," flowed through all living things. Guarding this Flame was the serpent Ophioneus, very similar in respects to his nearly same namesake Ophiuchus. He was said to lay coiled in the Waters of Life. If anyone obstructed or hindered the Light of the Flame, Ophioneus would rise out of the water like a monster and consume them. The Greek philosopher Pherecydes (circa 600-550 BC) wrote a great deal about Ophioneus, having obtained the doctrines from the Phoenicians, also known as Ophites (Greece was first colonized by Ophites, serpent worshippers from both Egypt and Phoenicia). The Ophites venerated a serpent by the deity-title Ab, sometimes rendered Ob and Ob Aur, meaning Father --- as in the procreator of All. They also had the watery serpent Leviathan or Thiavat, which is same as Ophioneus. All of this ties into Abaddon that appears in Revelations as the Angel of the Abyss. It is unclear if the forces of the Abyss are fully good or evil in any way. The Obic forces that guard the Light and keep it flowing apparently take it by whatever means necessary and return it back to where it belongs when a person fails to let it flow or obstructs it.....
http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/awakening101/obeah2.html
http://www.charlottesweb-atl.com/ophiuchus.jpg
http://www.wordinfo.info/words/images/aesculapias-staff-snake.gif http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/Medicine/AsklepiosPrize.jpg http://www.revelations.org.za/images/AesculapianStaff.gif
Ophiuchus in the Arts
Today a cult of followers of all ages have kept him immortal so that we could look back on him today and see an image of Ophiuchus the Serpent Holder as he might have appeared during the ...
http://www.startistics.com/astronomology/oph/ophinart.htm
ASCLEPIUS : Greek god of medicine & doctors ; mythology ; pictures ...
Asklepios was afterwards placed amongst the stars as the Constellation Ophiuchus (the Serpent Bearer ... CULT OF ASKLEPIOS. See the Cult of Asklepios page ...
http://www.theoi.com/Ouranios/Asklepios.html
Ophiuchus or Serpentarius
Myth and history: Ophiuchus Serpentarius , is Ofiuco with the Italians, Schlangentrager (Snake Bearer ... Mar 26th 1997 The bodies of 39 members of the Heaven's Gate techno-religious cult who'd ...
http://users.winshop.com.au/annew/Ophiuchus.html
Ophiuchus Constellation
... that the constellation represents Asclepius or Aesculapius, the healer of Greek myth whose cult was closely associated with serpents. This identification is by no means certain. Stars: Ophiuchus is a ...
http://home.xtra.co.nz/hosts/Wingmakers/Ophiuchus.html
eSky: Ophiuchus
The group of stars has been known by the name Ophiuchus for two thousand years or more. ... that the constellation represents Asclepius or Aesculapius, the healer of Greek myth whose cult ...
http://www.glyphweb.com/esky/constellations/ophiuchus.html
This is a work in progress. Please feel free to add your own research to this thread.
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john white
24-05-2007, 09:14 AM
Well I'd add the obvious that the above misses out:
Ophiuchus had to go becuase it was a product of a Lunar calander (hence association with goddess) when all the sun worshiping blokes in skirts took charge of Pagan europe....
The Islamic world is still on a Lunar calander
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snoopsnuffleopagus
24-05-2007, 12:15 PM
The Book of Yahweh is also Lunarcentric; the New Moon, as a Sign for setting of Yahwehs' Sacred Days.
Is not the Mayan calander also Lunar?
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klinker
24-05-2007, 12:19 PM
And is the serpent holder not also deliberately hidden by the alleged reptilians?
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synergy777
24-05-2007, 04:55 PM
asian countries although following solar/georgian calendar for everyday life, business. use the lunar calendar for religous ceremonies.
this is a cool thread. i never realised the 13th sign existed etc. will have to read this in depth, great find.also goddess worhip, more based on the feminine qulaity of creation/birth than actual gender of enitities. also perfect pr, a vengeful god with a nice womanly facade.
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26-05-2007, 07:40 PM
The image of the serpent was tremendously significant in the ancient world. Societies and scriptures of the Near East simultaneously attributed two highly symbolic roles to serpents. One role connected serpents to the heavens by having them represent deity, creative powers, and healing. The other linked them with the underworld and associated them with evil, harm, and destructive influences. We who live in modern times have no difficulty appreciating this double symbol because, in fact, this duality persists in our own day. The symbol of the healing serpent appears on the physician's caduceus, while a person of disreputable actions—especially treachery—is sometimes referred to as "a snake."
Egyptian Evidence
one of the forms of the god Atum, believed to be a primeval creator deity, was the snake or serpent that continued to live season after season. In a fascinating dialogue with Osiris, the Egyptian god of the netherworld and of final judgment,[2] Atum predicts the destruction of the world he created and his own reversion back to the form of a serpent or snake.
Another primeval deity mentioned in the Pyramid Texts is Amun, one of whose two primary representations was that of the snake named Kematef (meaning "he who has completed his time").[5] After the Eleventh Dynasty (the Egyptian Middle Kingdom), Amun appeared as the god of the capital of Thebes and eventually merged with the sun god to be become known as Amun-Re, the supreme state god in the New Kingdom (c. 1550–1090 B.C.). At Karnak it was believed that Amun-Re and his divine consort, the goddess Mut, gave birth to a son named Khonsu. Mut is also symbolized as a snake and is called "Mut the resplendent serpent."[6] Thus the divine triad or family, the preeminent unit of social organization among the gods and humans according to the Egyptian worldview, was linked to the image of the serpent.
When corn was harvested and grapes pressed into wine, an offering was made to the harvest goddess, Thermuthis, who was depicted as either a snake or a woman with a serpent's head.[7] Geb, the god of the earth and "the father of the gods," is referred to as "the father of snakes" that emerge from the earth
Veneration of serpents or snakes in predynastic Egypt and during the Old Kingdom coalesced around the most important serpent-goddess of Lower Egypt: Wadjet. Wadjet (meaning "green one") was the general Egyptian term for cobra, and in that form she became the symbol of royalty and unification.
In opposition to all that was good in ancient Egypt, the most preeminent of all the demons, evil gods, or evil powers was Apophis, who was represented by a snake.
The Egyptian Book of the Dead fairly crawls with other serpent demons as well, sometimes winged or rearing up, occasionally even standing on legs and spitting fire.
Mesopotamian Evidence
The Sumerian god of spring vegetation, Tammuz, was linked to the image of the snake. Both he and his mother bore the title "mother-great-serpent of Heaven," that is, the serpent deity who emanated from the heaven god Anu.[16] The snake was also the sacred symbol of the god Ningizzida, who was called in Sumerian mythology "the companion of Tammuz.
Nidaba, was shown in representations with serpents (springing from her shoulders).
The greatest sovereign the Sumerians ever produced, King Gudea of the city-state Lagash, placed a representation of a serpent deity at the entrance of one of his temples around 2050 B.C., presumably to act as a guardian of the sacred edifice where life is renewed. Fourteen hundred years later, King Nebuchadnezzar II, ruler of the Neo-Babylonian empire (605–562 B.C.), dedicated the monumental Ishtar Gate of Babylon to the god Marduk with the following inscription:
(Nebuchadnezzar, King of Babylon, son of) Nabopolassar (King of Babylon am I). The gate of Nana (Ishtar . . . I built) with (blue) enamelled bricks . . . for Marduk my lord. Lusty bulls of bronze and mighty figures of serpents I placed at their thresholds . . . Marduk, exalted lord . . . eternal life . . . give as a gift.
The forces of chaos are headed by none other than Tiamat, who is herself a female serpent (frequently referred to as a dragon).
Phoenician and Greek Evidence
Like the Greek deity Asclepius, Eshmun was the god of medicine whose symbol was a serpent.
Though Asclepius is also represented as a serpent in Greek portrayals, an actual Sidonian coin shows Eshmun leaning on a staff with a serpent entwined about it.
Sidonian depictions of Eshmun also parallel ancient Syrian representations of their god of healing, Shadrapa, whose image is that of the serpent.
The most important Minoan deity was the mother earth goddess of the city-state Knossos, or Cnossus, the capital of Cretan civilization. She is similar to fertility goddesses worshiped elsewhere in ancient Mediterranean and Near Eastern cultures. On Crete she was usually depicted in small statue form as a woman holding a snake in each hand, with a bird perched on top of her head.
The Agathos Daimon was often depicted as a winged serpent and regarded as a good spirit.
Even the most famous example of the winged serpent motif outside of (but related to) the Near East, namely, the Aztec god Quetzalcoatl ("feathered serpent"), is impressive because that god was revered as the founder of priestly wisdom (almost as if the Aztecs were somehow familiar with Jesus' statement to be "wise as serpents and harmless as doves" [Matthew 10:16]). Quetzalcoatl's high priests even bore the title "Prince of Serpents."
http://maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/display.php?table=jbms&id=254
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e3/Ningizzida.jpg
NINGIZZIDA: A Goddess who can appear in serpent form and does magic and healing.
Ningizzida was a fertility god. Originally depicted as a serpent with a human head, Ningizzida became known as a magical god of healing.
Ningishzida is the earliest known symbol of snakes twining (some say in copulation) around an axial rod. It predates the Caduceus of Hermes, the Rod of Asclepius and the staff of Moses by more than a thousand years.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/sex/tsf/img/10900.jpg
Serpent worship in early Christian art.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/sex/tsf/img/11300.jpg
A Serpent god
(An old Chinese print)
http://williamhenry.net/images/c2c_p1.jpg
E.A., the standing serpent wave, offers the secret of the stars to a priest.
http://williamhenry.net/images/c2c_p2.jpg
Yahweh is the serpent that curls around the prophets. His head is at the lower right at the bottom of his column or pillar.
http://williamhenry.net/images/c2c_p3.jpg http://williamhenry.net/images/c2c_p4.jpg
Quetzalcoatl, the Mayan "lord of life"and King of Tula being `consumed' by a `serpent' (left). Beside him is a statue of the Great Sun Buddha, dating from the 12th century in Cambodia. He is seated in the coils of a snake. The parallel between the two `saviors' is remarkable. Both statues suggest a wormhole connection.
http://williamhenry.net/images/c2c_p8.jpg
Jesus as a serpent-god from bas-relief in Egypt. This drawing was made by a member of Napoleon's army in 1798, one hundred years before the same face appeared to the world `for the first time ever' on the photograph of the Shroud of Turin.
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26-05-2007, 08:27 PM
http://www.sacred-texts.com/sex/tsf/img/13500.jpg
The Scandinavian Tree of Life.
http://williamhenry.net/images/c2c_p6.jpg
The Gnostics called this serpent CHNOUBIS or KANOBIS and said he was the guardian of a 12-angled pyramid with holes that surrounds the Earth.
http://www.watch.pair.com/viracocha.jpg
Quetzalcoatl / Viracocha
'The Feathered Serpent'.
http://www.catchpenny.org/images/slay4.gif
The serpent god Apep.
http://www.faculty.de.gcsu.edu/%7Edvess/ids/slides1/shiva.jpg
The Hindu god Shiva.
http://www.halexandria.org/images/dward75.jpg
Enki, as the serpent god.
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/images05/050509plasma-myth.jpg
Pictured above left: Greek and Roman artists depicted the god Ammon with a pillar-like trunk in the form of a serpent.
Right: Serpent columns of the Toltec Temple of the Warriors, Chichén Itzá, Yucatán, accord with the world tradition:
the male dragon manifest as the pillar of heaven
http://www.handstones.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/yewtree/images/mercury.jpg
Mercury/Hermes.
http://philologos.org/__eb-lttsc/images/fig23.jpg
Caracalla adoring the God-Serpent of Pergamum.
http://www.talariaenterprises.com/images3/6068a.jpg
Maya vision serpent.
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26-05-2007, 08:57 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/07/Anantavishnu.jpg/200px-Anantavishnu.jpg
Vishnu resting on Ananta-Shesha between the cycles of creation.
http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/2006/03mar/masonserpent.jpg
http://z.about.com/d/altreligion/1/0/U/N/2/ouroboros3.jpg
http://z.about.com/d/altreligion/1/0/J/L/2/ouroboros2.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/Ouroboros.png/250px-Ouroboros.png
The name ouroboros (or, in Latinized form, uroborus) is Greek οὐροβóρος, "tail-devourer". The depiction of the serpent is believed to have been inspired by the Milky Way, as some ancient texts refer to a serpent of light residing in the heavens.
http://www.enjoyperu.com/images/ayahuasca/cerebro-completo.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/59/Minoansnakegoddess2a.jpg/200px-Minoansnakegoddess2a.jpg
Snake Goddess describes a number of figurines of a woman holding a serpent in each hand found during excavation of Minoan archaeological sites in Crete dating from approximately 1600 BCE.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4a/France_Paris_Notre-Dame-Adam_and_Eve.jpg/416px-France_Paris_Notre-Dame-Adam_and_Eve.jpg
Adam, Eve, and the (female) Serpent at the entrance to Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris. Medieval Christian art often depicted the Edenic Serpent as a woman, thus both emphasizing the Serpent's seductiveness as well as its relationship to Eve. (This connection might be due do the influence of Lilith, as well.) Several early Church Fathers, including Clement of Alexandria and Eusebius of Caesarea, interpreted the Hebrew "Heva" as not only the name of Eve, but in its aspirated form as "female serpent."
http://angkorblog.com/db1/00087/angkorblog.com/_uimages/GarudaholdNagasmpor.jpg
Garuda and Naga are represented together on the city wall at Preah Khan. Garuda as usual is the victor in the encounter; thrusting out his chest, he treads one vanquished Naga underfoot and holds another aloft as a trophy.
http://angkorblog.com/db1/00087/angkorblog.com/_uimages/Modernnagapor.jpg
A modern imitation of an Angkorian Garuda and Naga sculpture stands at the entrance to a bridge in downtown Siem Reap. Garuda is mounted just above Naga's central head. Again, the impression is of a raptor with a serpent in its claws.
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tinmenace
26-05-2007, 09:43 PM
This thread is incredible! Lots of hard work! You rock, IAAIA! ;)
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i am all i am
26-05-2007, 10:47 PM
This thread is incredible! Lots of hard work! You rock, IAAIA!
Thank you Tinmenace.
Here's some more.....
http://sommerland.org/ondragons/races/g/races_featheredserpent.jpg
http://www.norwegian-pentagram.com/images/flamel-5.jpg
Jesus as the crucified serpent. By current report it's a copy from the ancient "The Book of Abraham the Jew", found during the 14th century.
http://www.norwegian-pentagram.com/images/cernunnos.jpg
The Celtic god Cernunnos.
http://www.travelingtiger.com/travelingtiger/angkor/angkor_wat/images/br_milk_giant942.jpg
The Churning of the Sea of Milk covers another of the walls of Angkor Wat. The asuras (giants) and the gods team up to pull on the body of the giant naga (serpent) Vasuki, which is coiled around Mount Mandara.
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Brahma, the planet Saturn, encircled ring-like by serpents.
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Uxmal, the West Building of the Nunnery Quadrangle. The reliefs show the God Chac and various serpents.
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After his death, Aesculapius became a god and he was also placed among the constellations, where he is pictured as a man holding a serpent in his hands.
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The Vatican's Crest: the 'snake-/dragon' as displayed in the Vatican Museum...
The word 'vatican' comes from Latin and is a contraction of two words in the following way:
'Vatis' = 'prophetic' or 'diviner'
'Can' = 'serpent/snake'
These two words combined make:
'the prophetic- or made divine serpent'
The Vaticaan is a place, so you may say, that 'Vatican' means 'the place of the prophetic- and worshipped serpent'.
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The Phoenician serpent god, alias Basilisk. The serpent, as well as the image of the sun, is always a phallic symbol in ancient religion. Basilisk is where the Roman Catholic Church got the name-- St. Peter's Basilica. Basilica is the old Greek name for the temple of the phallic god. How appropriate this is in view of the perpetual obsessions of the priests of "Mother Church." It also is well complimented by the obelisk in St. Peter's square which is a world wide phallic symbol complete with the phallic ball on top.
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Moses interceded with God and was instructed: "Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live" (Numbers 21:8).
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Serpent (symbolism)
Serpent is a word of Latin origin (serpens, serpentis) that is commonly used in a specifically mythic or religious context, signifying a snake that is to be regarded not as a mundane natural phenomenon nor as an object of scientific zoology, but as the bearer of some symbolic value.....
Particular Types of Serpents in Mythology
Dragons
Sometimes serpents and dragons are used interchangeably, having similar symbolic functions. The venom of the serpent is thought to have a fiery quality similar to a fire spitting dragon. The Greek Ladon and the Norse Níðhöggr are sometimes described as serpents and sometimes as dragons. In Germanic mythology, serpent (Old English: wyrm, Old High German: wurm, Old Norse: ormr) is used interchangeable with the Greek borrowing dragon (OE: draca, OHG: trahho, ON: dreki). In China, the Indian serpent nāga was equated with the lóng or Chinese dragon. The Aztec and Toltec serpent god Quetzalcoatl also has dragon like wings, like its equivalent in Mayan mythology Gukumatz ("feathered serpent").
Sea Serpents
Sea serpents were giant cryptozoological creatures once believed to live in water, whether sea monsters such as the Leviathan or lake monsters such as the Loch Ness Monster. If they were referred to as "sea snakes", they were understood to be the actual snakes that live in Indo-Pacific waters (Family Hydrophiidae).
Cosmic Serpents
The serpent, when forming a ring with its tail in its mouth, is a clear and widespread symbol of the "All-in-All", the totality of existence, infinity and the cyclic nature of the cosmos. The most well known version of this is the Aegypto-Greek Ourobouros. It is believed to have been inspired by the Milky Way as some ancient texts refer to a serpent of light residing in the heavens.
In Hindu mythology Vishnu is said to sleep while floating on the cosmic waters on the serpent Shesha. In the Puranas Shesha holds all the planets of the universe on his hoods and to constantly sing the glories of Vishnu from all his mouths. He is sometimes referred to as "Ananta-Shesha" which means "Endless Shesha." In the Samudra manthan chapter of the Puranas Shesha loosens Mount Mandara for it to be used as a churning rod by the Asuras and Devas to churn the ocean of milk in the heavens in order to make Soma (or Amrita), the divine elixir of immortality. As a churning rope another giant serpent called Vasuki is used.
In pre-Columbian Central America Quetzalcoatl was sometimes depicted as biting its own tail. The mother of Quetzalcoatl was the Aztec goddess Coatlicue ("the one with the skirt of serpents"), also known as Cihuacoatl ("The Lady of the serpent"). Quetzalcoatl's father was Mixcoatl ("Cloud Serpent"). He was identified with the Milky Way, the stars and the heavens in several Mesoamerican cultures.
The demi-god Aidophedo of the West African Ashanti is also a serpent biting its own tail. In Dahomey mythology of Benin in West Africa, the serpent that supports everything on its many coils was named Dan. In the Vodun of Benin and Haiti Ayida-Weddo (a.k.a. Aida-Wedo, Aido Quedo, "Rainbow-Serpent") is a spirit of fertility, rainbows and snakes, and a companion or wife to Dan, the father of all spirits. As Vodun was exported to Haiti through the slave trade Dan became Danballah, Damballah or Damballah-Wedo. Because of his association with snakes, he is sometimes disguised as Moses, who carried a snake on his staff. He is also thought by many to be the same entity of Saint Patrick, known as a snake banisher.
The serpent Hydra is a star constellation representing either the serpent thrown angrily into the sky by Apollo or the Lernaean Hydra as defeated by Heracles for one of his Twelve Labours. The constellation Serpens represents a snake being tamed by Ophiuchus the snake-handler, another constellation. The most probable interpretation is that Ophiuchus represents the healer Asclepius.
Chthonic serpents and sacred trees
In many myths the chthonic serpent (sometimes a pair) lives in or is coiled around a Tree of Life situated in a divine garden. In the Genesis story of the Torah and Biblical Old Testament the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil is situated in the Garden of Eden together with the tree of immortality. In Greek mythology Ladon coiled around the tree in the garden of the Hesperides protecting the entheogenic golden apples.
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Níðhöggr gnaws the roots of Yggdrasill in this illustration from a 17th century Icelandic manuscript.Similarly Níðhöggr the dragon of Norse mythology eats from the roots of the Yggdrasil the World Tree.
Under yet another Tree (the Bodhi tree of Enlightenment), the Buddha sat in ecstatic meditation. When a storm arose, the mighty serpent king Mucalinda rose up from his place beneath the earth and enveloped the Buddha in seven coils for seven days, not to break his ecstatic state.
The Vision Serpent was also a symbol of rebirth in Mayan mythology, fuelling some cross-Atlantic cultural contexts favored in pseudoarchaeology. The Vision Serpent goes back to earlier Maya conceptions, and lies at the center of the world as the Mayans conceived it. "It is in the center axis atop the World Tree. Essentially the World Tree and the Vision Serpent, representing the king, created the center axis which communicates between the spiritual and the earthly worlds or planes. It is through ritual that the king could bring the center axis into existence in the temples and create a doorway to the spiritual world, and with it power". (Schele and Friedel, 1990: 68)
Sometimes the Tree of Life is represented (in a combination with similar concepts such as the World Tree and Axis mundi or "World Axis") by a staff such as those used by shamans. Examples of such staffs featuring coiled snakes in mythology are the caduceus of Hermes, the Rod of Asclepius and the staff of Moses. The oldest known representation is that of the Sumerian fertility god Ningizzida. Ningizzida was sometimes depicted as a serpent with a human head, eventually becoming a god of healing and magic. It is the companion of Dumuzi (Tammuz) with whom it stood at the gate of heaven. In the Louvre, there is a famous green steatite vase carved for king Gudea of Lagash (dated variously 2200–2025 BCE) with an inscription dedicated to Ningizzida. Ningizzida was the ancestor of Gilgamesh, who according to the epic dived to the bottom of the waters to retrieve the plant of life. But while he rested from his labor, a serpent came and ate the plant. The snake became immortal, and Gilgamesh was destined to die.
Ningizzida has been popularised in the 20th C. by Raku Kei Reiki (a.k.a. "The Way of the Fire Dragon") where "Nin Giz Zida" is believed to be a fire serpent of Tibetan rather than Sumerian origin. Nin Giz Zida is another name for the ancient Hindu concept of Kundalini, a Sanskrit word meaning either "coiled up" or "coiling like a snake". Kundalini refers to the mothering intelligence behind yogic awakening and spiritual maturation leading to altered states of consciousness. There are a number of other translations of the term usually emphasizing a more serpentine nature to the word— e.g. 'serpent power'. It has been suggested by Joseph Campbell that the symbol of snakes coiled around a staff is an ancient representation of Kundalini physiology. The staff represents the spinal column with the snake(s) being energy channels. In the case of two coiled snakes they usually cross each other seven times, a possible reference to the seven energy centers called chakras.
In Egypt, Ra and Atum ("he who completes or perfects") were the same god, Atum, the "counter-Ra," was associated with earth animals, including the serpent: Nehebkau ("he who harnesses the souls") was the two headed serpent god who guarded the entrance to the underworld. He is often seen as the son of the snake goddess Renenutet, often confused with the snake goddess Wadjet.
The image of the serpent as the embodiment of the wisdom transmitted by Sophia was an emblem used by gnosticism, especially those sects that the more orthodox characterized as "Ophites" ("Serpent People"). The chthonic serpent was one of the earth-animals associated with the cult of Mithras. The Basilisk, the venomous "king of serpents" with the glance that kills, was hatched by a serpent, Pliny the Elder and others thought, from the egg of a cock.
Outside Eurasia, in Yoruba mythology, Oshunmare was another mythic regenerating serpent.
The Rainbow Serpent (also known as the Rainbow Snake) is a major mythological being for Aboriginal people across Australia, although the creation stories associated with it are best known from northern Australia. In Fiji Ratumaibulu was a serpent god who ruled the underworld and made fruit trees bloom.
Serpents in Particular Religious and Cultural Traditions
Cambodian Mythology
See also: Naga (mythology)
Serpents, or nagas, play a particularly important role in Cambodian mythology. A well-known story explains the emergence of the Khmer people from the union of Indian and indigenous elements, the latter being represented as nagas. According to the story, an Indian brahmana named Kaundinya came to Cambodia, which at the time was under the dominion of the naga king. The naga princess Soma sallied forth to fight against the invader but was defeated. Presented with the option of marrying the victorious Kaundinya, Soma readily agreed to do so, and together they ruled the land. The Khmer people are their descendants.[4]
Greek Mythology
See also: Dragons in Greek mythology
Serpents figured prominently in archaic Greek myths. According to some sources, Ophion ("serpent", a.k.a. Ophioneus), ruled the world with Eurynome before the two of them were cast down by Cronus and Rhea.
The Minoan Snake Goddess brandished a serpent in either hand, perhaps evoking her role as source of wisdom, rather than her role as Mistress of the Animals (Potnia theron), with a leopard under each arm. She is a Minoan version of the Canaanite fertility goddess Asherah. It is not by accident that later the infant Heracles, a liminal hero on the threshold between the old ways and the new Olympian world, also brandished the two serpents that "threatened" him in his cradle. Classical Greeks did not perceive that the threat was merely the threat of wisdom. But the gesture is the same as that of the Cretan goddess.
Typhon the enemy of the Olympian gods is described as a vast grisly monster with a hundred heads and a hundred serpents issuing from his thighs, who was conquered and cast into Tartarus by Zeus, or confined beneath volcanic regions, where he is the cause of eruptions. Typhon is thus the chthonic figuration of volcanic forces. Amongst his children by Echidna are Cerberus (a monstrous three-headed dog with a snake for a tail and a serpentine mane), the serpent tailed Chimaera, the serpent-like chthonic water beast Lernaean Hydra and the hundred-headed serpentine dragon Ladon. Both the Lernaean Hydra and Ladon were slain by Heracles.
Python was the earth-dragon of Delphi, always represented in the vase-paintings and by sculptors as a serpent. Pytho was the chthonic enemy of Apollo, who slew her and remade her former home his own oracle, the most famous in Classical Greece.
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Statue of Asclepius in the Pergamon Museum, Berlin.
Amphisbaena a Greek word, from amphis, meaning "both ways", and bainein, meaning "to go", also called the "Mother of Ants", is a mythological, ant-eating serpent with a head at each end. According to Greek mythology, the mythological amphisbaena was spawned from the blood that dripped from Medusa the Gorgon's head as Perseus flew over the Libyan Desert with it in his hand. Medusa and the other Gorgons were vicious female monsters with sharp fangs and hair of living, venomous snakes. The Gorgons wore a belt of two intertwined serpents in the same configuration of the caduceus.
Asclepius, the son of Apollo and Koronis, learned the secrets of keeping death at bay after observing one serpent bringing another (which Asclepius himself had fatally wounded) healing herbs. To prevent the entire human race from becoming immortal under Asclepius's care, Zeus killed him with a bolt of lightning. Asclepius' death at the hands of Zeus illustrates man's inability to challenge the natural order that separates mortal men from the gods. In honor of Asclepius, snakes were often used in healing rituals. Non-poisonous snakes were left to crawl on the floor in dormitories where the sick and injured slept. In The Library, Apollodorus claimed that Athena gave Asclepius a vial of blood from the Gorgons. Gorgon blood had magical properties: if taken from the left side of the Gorgon, it was a fatal poison; from the right side, the blood was capable of bringing the dead back to life. However Euripides wrote in his tragedy Ion that the Athenian queen Creusa had inherited this vial from her ancestor Erichthonios, who was a snake himself and receiving the vial from Athena. In this version the blood of Medusa had the healing power while the lethal poison originated from Medusa's serpents.
Laocoön was allegedly a priest of Poseidon (or of Apollo, by some accounts) at Troy; he was famous for warning the Trojans in vain against accepting the Trojan Horse from the Greeks, and for his subsequent divine execution. Poseidon (some say Athena), who was supporting the Greeks, subsequently sent sea-serpents to strangle Laocoön and his two sons, Antiphantes and Thymbraeus. Another tradition states that Apollo sent the serpents for an unrelated offense, and only unlucky timing caused the Trojans to misinterpret them as punishment for striking the Horse.
Olympias, the mother of Alexander the Great and a princess of the primitive land of Epirus, had the reputation of a snake-handler, and it was in serpent form that Zeus was said to have fathered Alexander upon her; tame snakes were still to be found at Macedonian Pella in the 2nd century AD (Lucian, Alexander the false prophet) and at Ostia a bas-relief shows paired coiled serpents flanking a dressed altar, symbols or embodiments of the Lares of the household, worthy of veneration (Veyne 1987 illus p 211).
Norse Mythology
See also: Jörmungandr
Jörmungandr, alternately referred to as the Midgard Serpent or World Serpent, is a sea serpent of the Norse mythology, the middle child of Loki and the giantess Angrboða.
According to the Prose Edda, Odin took Loki's three children, Fenrisúlfr, Hel and Jörmungandr. He tossed Jörmungandr into the great ocean that encircles Midgard. The serpent grew so big that he was able to surround the Earth and grasp his own tail, and as a result he earned the alternate name of the Midgard Serpent or World Serpent. Jörmungandr's arch enemy is the god Thor.
Judaism and Christianity
In the Hebrew Bible (the Tanach) of Judaism, the speaking serpent (nachash) in the Garden of Eden brought forbidden knowledge, but was not identified with Satan in the Book of Genesis. "Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made," Genesis 3:1 reminded its readers. Nor is there any indication in Genesis that the Serpent was a deity in its own right, aside from the fact that the Pentateuch is not otherwise rife with talking animals. Although the identity of the Serpent as Satan is made explicit in the later writings of the Hebrew prophets and the New Testament of the Bible, in Genesis the Serpent is merely portrayed as a deceptive creature promoting as good what God had directly forbidden, and particularly cunning in manipulating truth toward its deceptive ends. (cf. Gen. 3:4-5 and 3:22)
Though it was cursed for its role in the Garden, this was not the end of the serpent, who continued to be venerated in the folk religion of Judah and was tolerated by official religion until the in time of king Hezekiah.
A conversion of a rod to a snake and back was believed to have been experienced by Moses and later by his brother Aaron according to Islamic, Christian, and Jewish hagiography:
And the Lord said unto him, What is that in thine hand? And he said, A rod. And he said, Cast it on the ground. And he cast it on the ground, and it became a serpent; and Moses fled from before it. And the Lord said unto Moses, Put forth thine hand, and take it by the tail. And he put forth his hand and caught it and it became a rod in his hand. (Exodus 4:2-4)
The Book of Numbers provides an origin for an archaic bronze serpent associated with Moses, with the following narratives:
"21.6. And the Lord sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died. 7. Therefore the people came to Moses, and said, We have sinned, for we have spoken against the Lord, and against thee; pray unto the Lord, that he take away the serpents from us. And Moses prayed for the people. 8. And the Lord said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live. 9. And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived." (Book of Numbers 21:6-9)
When the young reforming king Hezekiah came to the throne of Judah in the late 8th century:
"He removed the high places, and brake the images, and cut down the groves, and brake in pieces the brasen serpent that Moses had made: for unto those days the children of Israel did burn incense to it: and he called it Nehushtan." 2 Kings 18:4.
In Christianity, a connection between the Serpent and Satan is strongly made, and Genesis 3:14 where God curses the serpent, is seen in that light: "And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life". Some feel that this seems to indicate that the serpent had legs prior to this punishment. But if the lying serpent was in fact Satan himself (as he is called THE serpent or dragon), rather than an ordinary snake simply possessed by Satan, then the reference to crawling and dust is purely symbolic reference to his ultimate humiliation and defeat.
In the Gospel of Matthew 3:7, John the Baptist calls the Pharisees and Saducees visiting him a `brood of vipers`. Later in Matthew 23:33, Jesus himself uses this imagery, observing: "Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of Gehenna?" ("Hell" is the usual translation of Jesus' word Gehenna.)
Although in the minority, there are at least a couple of passages in the New Testament that do not present the snake with negative connotation. When sending out the twelve apostles, Jesus exhorted them "Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves" (Matthew 10:16).
Jesus made a comparison between himself and the setting up of the snake on the hill in the desert by Moses:
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life (John 3:14-15).
In this comparison Jesus was not so much connecting himself to the serpent[citation needed], but showing the analogy of his being a divinely provided object of faith, through which God would provide salvation, just as God provided healing to those who looked in faith to the brass serpent. The other most significant reference to the serpent in the New Testament occurs in Revelation 12:9, where the identity of the serpent in Genesis is made explicit:
"The great dragon was hurled down--that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray..."
This verse lends support to the view that of the serpent being Satan himself, which helps to explain, as well, why Eve was not surprised to be spoken to by the serpent--it was not a talking snake, but a beautiful and intelligent (yet evil) angelic being.
Veyne, Paul, 1987. A History of Private Life : 1. From Pagan Rome to Byzantium
Snake handling is a religious ritual in a small number of Christian churches in the U.S., usually characterized as rural and Pentecostal. Practitioners believe it dates to antiquity and quote the Bible to support the practice, especially:
"And these signs shall follow them that believe: In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues. They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover." (Mark 16:17-18)
"Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you." (Luke 10:19)
Modern Medicine
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Snakes entwined the staffs both of Hermes (the caduceus) and of Asclepius, where a single snake entwined the rough staff. On Hermes' caduceus, the snakes were not merely duplicated for symmetry, they were paired opposites. (This motif is congruent with the phurba.) The wings at the head of the staff identified it as belonging to the winged messenger, Hermes, the Roman Mercury, who was the god of magic, diplomacy and rhetoric, of inventions and discoveries, the protector both of merchants and that allied occupation, to the mythographers' view, of thieves. It is however Hermes' role as psychopomp, the escort of newly-deceased souls to the afterlife, that explains the origin of the snakes in the caduceus since this was also the role of the Sumerian entwined serpent god Ningizzida, with whom Hermes has sometimes been equated with.
In Late Antiquity, as the arcane study of alchemy developed, Mercury was understood to be the protector of those arts too and of arcane or occult "Hermetic' information in general. Chemistry and medicines linked the rod of Hermes with the staff of the healer Asclepius, which was wound with a serpent; it was conflated with Mercury's rod, and the modern medical symbol— which should simply be the rod of Asclepius— often became Mercury's wand of commerce. Another version is used in alchemy whereas the snake is crucufied, known as Nicolas Flamel's caduceus. Art historian Walter J. Friedlander, in The Golden Wand of Medicine: A History of the Caduceus Symbol in Medicine (1992) collected hundreds of examples of the caduceus and the rod of Asclepius and found that professional associations were just somewhat more likely to use the staff of Asclepius, while commercial organizations in the medical field were more likely to use the caduceus.
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didgeylee
27-05-2007, 01:47 AM
Not forgeting the rainbow serpent from Australian aboriginal myth!
the list is endless...
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27-05-2007, 03:35 AM
I vaguely remember a reference by David Icke about a spider (arachnic) being possibly a 13th hidden star sign.
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27-05-2007, 08:52 AM
Mount Vernon is home to thirteen tree specimens that George Washington planted around 1785 when he improved his serpentine walk.
The Thirteen Scared Trees, or Sacred Grove, of the Druids.....
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The Celtic Lunar Calendar
In today's world it is often difficult for us to imagine that there were ancient civilizations that came long before us who were more aware and in tune with nature, astronomy, and astrology than we are today with all of our advanced intelligence and technology.
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Historical records and archeological discoveries have made us all too aware of ancient peoples who had acquired such knowledge, which they used to alter and influence the activities of their daily life.
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Approximately one thousand years B.C., a religious order of Celtic priests known as the Druids lived in the British Isles. They used a lunar calendar that consisted of 13 months, with each month having within it 28 days, plus an additional day which was added to the calendar as in a leap year, to correspond to the solar/lunar year.
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This 13 month calendar was used by the Druids to calculate their year and important festivals.
The Druidic religion focused on the natural and supernatural energies of the universe which they identified with the spirits of their sacred trees. These sacred trees formed the basis of the Druid astrological zodiac.
The Druidic Zodiac
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Sign.............Tree........................Month ..........................Symbol
Beth.............Birch........December 24 - January 20.............The eagle or stag
Luis.............Rowan..........January 21 - February 17............Green dragon
Nion..............Ash...........February 18 - March 17...............The trident
Fearn...........Alder..............March 18 - April 14..................The pentacle
Saille...........Willow...............April 15 - May 12...................The serpent
Uath.........Hawthorne............May 13 - June 9....................The chalice
Duir..............Oak................June 10 - July 7.....................The golden wheel
Tinne...........Holly..................July 8 - August 4..................Flaming spear
Coll.............Hazel..............August 5 - September 1............The rainbow fish
Muin............Vine..........September 2 - September 29...........The swan
Gort.............Ivy.........September 30 - October 27...............The butterfly
Ngetal.........Reed............October 28 - November 24............The stone
Ruis............Elder..........November 25 - December 22............The raven
The last day of the calendar, December 23rd, is known as The Nameless Day which is represented by the Mistletoe and symbolized by the black pearl.
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The Birch Tree
Beth
The birch tree is associated with the letter Beth in the Celtic tree alphabet, the first of the thirteen consonants of the Celtic letters that formed a calendar of seasonal tree magic. The spirit of the birch tree projects the faint aura of the sun, representing the rise of the Solar King from the dark slumber of night. This ethereal light symbolizes the divinity of the Dryad or tree spirit. The golden eagle flying overhead carries the salmon, a bright symbol of knowledge. The statuesque white stag is a symbol of the eventual fate of the Sun King, who will reign for seven months in the thirteen month calendar of the Druids.
Ruling Deity – The Celtic warrior God Lugh, inventor of all arts and crafts.
Planetary Ruler – Sun.
The Rowan Tree
Luis
The Rowan tree stands in the center of Stonehenge, the ancient gathering place of the Druids. In Celtic legend, the tree was considered to be the magical tree of life. The tree was guarded by a fiery green dragon, a powerful symbol of life during the time of year when night still ruled the day. Stonehenge symbolically formed a giant candle at the Celtic feast of Candlemas, marking the quickening of the year. The fiery breath of the dragon ignited the vital current of energy pulsing through the stones, regenerating the flame of eternal life.
Ruling Deity – Brigid, the Goddes of fertility and poetry.
Planetary Ruler – Uranus.
The Ash Tree
Nion
The Ash tree symbolizes the power of the sea, depicted in this illustration by the sea god Lir, one of the ruling divinities in Celtic legend. Lir was a powerful deity who represented the mystical fusion of man and God through the medium or element of water. In Celtic myth the Ash was sacred to Gwydion as a tree of enchantment, from whose twigs he made his wands. A Druidical wand, made from ash, with a spiral decoration was unearthed in Anglesey during an archaeological find. The wand dated from the early first century.
Ruling Deity – Gwydion, the Magician, storyteller and trickster.
Planetary Ruler – Neptune.
The Alder Tree
Fearn
Armed with a spear and swoed, Bran the mighty giant and ancient Celtic King of Britain has slain the green dragon to establish his power over the seasons. The power of the sun has triumphed as it reaches the Vernal Equinox, for the days will now rule the night. March 21st, known to the Druids as Elbin Eilir, was celebrated with the lighting of a sacred fire of alder woodfrom which all other fires where then rekindled. From this day forward in the Celtic calendar, the sun will have dominion over the moon.
Ruling Deity – Bran the Blesses, the God of the Spirit world.
Planetary Ruler – Mars.
The Willow Tree
Saille
The Celts believed that a serpent was hidden within the branches of the willow tree. The coils of the serpent protected two scarlet colored eggs which contained the infinate potential of the world. A beautiful young maiden holds the branches of the tree. She has been chosen Queen of the May to preside over the celebration of Beltane, a fire festival held on the first day of May. The roots of the willow tap into the sacred spring of the mysterious and awesome aspect of the lunar Goddess, the Cailleach, who sits on a silver throne in a dark cavern under the tree.
Ruling Deity – Ceridwen, the Celtic Moon Goddess.
Planetary Ruler – Moon.
The Hawthorne Tree
Uath
The Hawthorne tree symbolizes the spiritual quest that demands chastity and purification after the earlier festivities of May. The Goddess holds the silver chalice of the Holy Grail, known also to many as the cauldron of Cerridwen. In this depiction, a warrior prince leaves his weapons behind in preparation for his ascent up the hill, representing the Suns journey towards the ultimate act of sacrifice at the summer soltice.
Ruling Deity – Olwen, the summer flower maiden.
Planetary Ruler – Vulcan.
The Oak Tree
Duir
The Oak tree stands in a circle of fire, the flames engulfing the sacrificial oak king, who sits upon his white stallion. Deep within its roots lies the double head of Janus, a dual god of life and death, who symbolizes the turning of the year from summer to winter. The golden wheel of the Celts represents the changing face of the Sun. The Sun has reached its highest point in the sky and is about to begin its descent. The summer solstice, celebrated on June 21st, was known to the Druids as Alban Hefin. This marked the turning point in the Druidic calendar when the Sun appeared momentarily to stand still as it reached its most northerly point.
Ruling Deity – The Dagda, the Father of all Gods.
Planetary Ruler – Jupiter.
The Holly Tree
Tinne
The Earth Goddess is dressed in scarlet to symbolize fruition and the beginning of autumn. She holds the triple symbol of the Earth, Moon, and Sun. A flaming spear has pierced the earth at her feet, representing the renewal of her power at the Celtic festival of Lammas. This festival was an ancient fire festival celebrated on August 1st. It was associated with the transformation concept of the magical powers of the female.
Ruling Deity – Govannon, the smith God.
Planetary Ruler – Earth.
The Hazel Tree
Coll
The leaves of the hazel tree are slowly turning to gold and the nuts have formed into clusters of three, the sacred number of the universal Goddess. The nuts are dropping into a crystal clear pool and feeding the salmon, a magical symbol pertaining to knowledge of the arts and sciences. A young man sits by the spring and gazes into the pool, seeking to gain knowledge and wisdom not from the book that he has beside him; but from the ancient symbols of the universe that are revealed to our subconscious minds if we are open to them.
Ruling Deity – The sea God Manannan Mac Lir, master of disuise.
Planetary Ruler – Mercury.
The Vine
Muin
The vine is depicted here growing over a mysterious entrance into the castle of Arianrhod, Lady of the Silver Wheel. Deep within the castle is the seat of Annwn, which in Celtic mysteries is the center of the astral plane. The four white swans symbolize the radiant aspect of the psyche approaching another revelation and initiation. The vine is associated with the Celtic festival of the autumn equinox known to the Druids as Alban Elfred, and is celebrated on September 23rd.
Ruling Deity – The Tuatha De Danaan Gods of light.
Planetary Ruler – Venus.
The Ivy
Gort
The tiny figures of the Sidhe or faery people, dance wildly in the moonlight awaiting the rebirth and resurrection of the souls of the dead. The butterfly is a symbol of the Sidhe and represents this metamorphic transition. A coverlet of Ivy almost conceals the ruins of an ancient temple. The Men-an-Tol stone in Cornwall is believed to be the solitary survivor of an ancient temple built by the same people who constructed Stonehenge. The Druids continued to use these same sites for their own rituals, carving their own symbols on some of the stones and erecting additional stones inscribed with Ogham.
Ruling Deity – Guinivere the fairy bride.
Planetary Ruler – Persephone.
The Reed
Ngetal
The Celtic festival of Samhain was a time when doors were opened between the natural and supernatural world. For the Celts, it was the most important festival of the entire year, as it officially marked the beginning of winter and the start of the Celtic New Year. In this depiction, Pluto, god of the underworld, resides in a subterranean cavern where he guards the four treasures that the Celts had inherited from the Tuatha Danaans, a race of immortals who became their gods.
Ruling Deity – Pwyll, the Celtic God of the underworld.
Planetary Ruler – Pluto.
The Elder Tree
Ruis
The magical deep purple berries of the elder tree relate to inception, the beginning of the mystical birth of the Celtic Sun God. A huge black raven flies above the child with a wreath of mistletoe around its neck and a lustrous black pearl in its mouth. It is the messenger of impending death, the physical death that precedes spiritual rebirth. To the Celts, the secret of Annwn is revealed at the time of the winter solstice, which marks the shortest day and heralds the rebirth of the Sun. The winter solstice on December 22nd was known as Alban Arthuan in the Druidic calendar.
Ruling Deity – Cailleach Beara, the crown Goddess and Celtic tribal mother.
Planetary Ruler – Saturn.
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27-05-2007, 09:26 AM
The Dawn of the Goddess
The goddess religion came from Africa with modern humans 100,000 years ago. This may be inferred from the fact that very similar goddess stories are found on all continents, suggesting that the stories were known before modern people migrated to Europe; Asia, the Americas, and Australia. In Europe, (France) there are some recently discovered caves decorated with paintings and carvings which have been dated between 30,340 and 32,410 BP (before present).
http://www.big.com.au/fallen/dawn.html
Names of the Goddess...
http://www.big.com.au/fallen/gnam.html
A Search for the White Goddess
The White Goddess is one of the names given to the Earth Mother; the Moon goddess, to Venus, Astarte, Lilith, Belili, the Muses, the Three Graces and to innumerable other female deities. She is found in the myths and legends of all cultures. The stories and attributes of the white goddess are remarkably similar in nations as far apart as Ireland and China, and this points to a very ancient common source for the myths, which appear to have come out of Africa with Homo sapiens 100,000 years ago.
This was a nature-based religion which involved close observation and celebration of the seasons and of the moon and the planets. Its bible was written in the stars for all to see, and its hymns were the songs of birds and the sighings of the breeze. The worship of the White Goddess reached its highest level in the time of the Minoans (say 1600 BC). In that period, the sea-trading Minoans carried their religion from their ports in the Mediterranean as far as Ireland in the west; and to tropical Asia in the east. Of the goddess-temples founded, the highest may have been that of Sappho on the island of Lesbos. The goddess-temples are of great importance to scholars, for they are the source of the alphabet we use; the musical scales we use, of the concept of poetry, of the calendar, of astronomy and history, and of formal mathematics and the sciences. This culture fell in a cataclysm in approximately 1600 BC, but was resumed by Achaeans (proto-Greeks), and by other civilisations honouring the nature goddess. The temple's role at the pinnacle of human culture and achievement lasted until the second century anno domine, when the the high priestess of the temple of Isis was murdered. The fall of the temple on the Nile marked the end of goddess-worship as a manifest or established religion, and the beginning of the Goddess' long career in hidden religion, that is, in the occult .
http://www.big.com.au/fallen/
http://www.big.com.au/fallen/Megg.jpg
The python is a recurring motif in the goddess myths. The serpent appears as the companion to the Baccantes and the Lamiae. Serpents form the Medusa's hair, and are draped about Minerva's collar. A serpent speaks to Eve in the Garden of Eden and is twice featured in the ancient zodiac. Serpents were kept Sappho's temple, and at later temples such as Delphi, where the oracle was called the pythoness. After the fall of Sappho's temple, the new god Apollo assumed many of the rights and powers previously attributed to the goddess. Apollo's first act on assuming office was to apologise in song for having slain the Python.....
http://www.big.com.au/fallen/python.html
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27-05-2007, 08:36 PM
http://www.mallorcaweb.net/masm/conobs/mitser.gif
http://www.pa.msu.edu/people/horvatin/Images/constellations/sepens.jpg
Serpens
Constellation on the celestial equator (see celestial sphere), represented as a serpent coiled around the body of Ophiuchus. It is the only constellation divided into two halves: Serpens Caput, the head (on one side of Ophiuchus), and Serpens Cauda, the tail (on the other side). Its main feature is the Eagle nebula.
http://www.feebleminds-gifs.com/silverhawk.gif
This constellation is unique, for it is divided into two parts – Serpens Caput, the head, and Serpens Cauda, the tail. Nevertheless, astronomers regard it as a single constellation. Serpens represents a huge snake held by the constellation Ophiuchus. In his left hand Ophiuchus grasps the top half of the snake, while his right hand holds the tail. Aratus and Manilius agreed that Serpens was coiled around the body of Ophiuchus, but most star atlases show the snake simply passing between his legs (for an illustration of the full tableau, see Ophiuchus).
In mythology, Ophiuchus was identified as the healer Asclepius, son of Apollo, although why he appears to be wrestling with a serpent in the sky is not fully explained. His connection with snakes is attributed to the story that he once killed a snake that was miraculously restored to life by a herb placed on it by another snake. Asclepius subsequently used the same technique to revive dead people. Snakes are the symbol of rebirth because they shed their skins every year.
The star Alpha Serpentis is called Unukalhai from the Arabic meaning ‘the serpent’s neck’, where it is located. The tip of the serpent’s tail is marked by Theta Serpentis, called Alya, an Arabic word that actually refers to a sheep’s tail. The most celebrated object in Serpens is a star cluster called M16, embedded in a gas cloud called the Eagle Nebula, the subject of a famous photograph by the Hubble Space Telescope.
http://www.ianridpath.com/startales/serpens.htm
http://www.feebleminds-gifs.com/silverhawk.gif
Ascendant The degree of the zodiac rising over the eastern horizon of the birthplace at the moment of birth.
Caput Draconis From the Latin, literally dragon's head; an older term for the Moon's North Node.
Cauda Draconis From the Latin, literally dragon's tail; synonymous with the Moon's south node.
Descendant Point opposite the Ascendant.
ecliptic The apparent path of the Sun as it "travels" around Earth during the course of a year; actually, Earth's orbit around the Sun.
nodal chart An equal house chart, which places the Moon's South Node at the Ascendant, used primarily by medical astrologers to diagnose health problems. In this context, the South Node and Ascendant represent the head, the North Node and Decendant the feet, the lower hemisphere the right side of the body and the upper hemisphere the left.
node The point of intersection of a planet's orbit and the ecliptic.
http://astrology.aryabhatt.com/astrology_glossary.asp
http://www.feebleminds-gifs.com/silverhawk.gif
http://www.lewisdt.com/gtseal.jpg
So why is this seal here ???
Well, shown above is the reference to the Eagle Nebula, hence the eagle on the seal. There are 13 stars (13th star sign) above the head of the eagle (Eagle Nebula) holding 13 arrows in the left claw (Caput Draconis - the serpents head) and a branch with 13 leaves on a branch in the right claw (Cauda Draconis - the serpents tail).
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/59/Minoansnakegoddess2a.jpg/200px-Minoansnakegoddess2a.jpg
Snake Goddess describes a number of figurines of a woman holding a serpent in each hand found during excavation of Minoan archaeological sites in Crete dating from approximately 1600 BCE.
The Greek word drakõn [1], 'serpent', is related to the word drakos, meaning 'eye'.
Through the Druidic calendar the Elder tree is the 13th tree, with the December correlation the same as Ophiuchus, that is represented by the planetary ruler Saturn, and Saturn is linked through the occult with the Star of David formed by the 13 stars above the eagle. The eagle is representative of the Birch tree in the Druidic calendar and the planetary ruler is the Sun, hence the sun symbolism around the eye on the pyramid.
http://www.lewisdt.com/eagle.jpg
Scottish Rite Eagle
There are 18 objects surrounding the 13 stars. 1+ 8 = 9. There are nine muses of the Goddess...
The nine named Muses each inspired a different musical or poetic field, with Urania as the inspirer of astronomy and the mysteries of the stars.
http://www.big.com.au/fallen/muses.html
...and Urania, or Uranus, is the planetary ruler of the Rowan tree, the ruling deity being Brigid, the Goddess of fertilty and poetry, with the symbol being the green dragon.
Now there are obviously more representations within the seal, but from what I have pointed out, you can see that the worship of the Goddess Deity has been hidden (in plain sight - "let those who have eyes see") within the institutions of societies symbols, and it shows the powers that be are worshippers of the Goddess in all her myriad forms.
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tinmenace
27-05-2007, 10:07 PM
...and Urania, or Uranus, is the planetary ruler of the Rowan tree, the ruling deity being Brigid, the Goddess of fertilty and poetry, with the symbol being the green dragon.
Yes, and she changes her Regnal name as she goes. I'll work something up on this and post it soon. This is stunning information.
Thanks for all your time and effort! :)
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i am all i am
27-05-2007, 10:31 PM
Yes, and she changes her Regnal name as she goes. I'll work something up on this and post it soon. This is stunning information.
Thanks for all your time and effort! :)
You are welcome Tinmenace.
Thank you for being willing to add your time and effort to this thread.
We are close to having the background information to discuss ideas that will bring about an understanding of what we are all experiencing because of events that have happened in the distant past on more than our planet.
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zircon
27-05-2007, 10:39 PM
Stunning information, really - I'd like to come back on IAAIA as soon as I have finished Philip gardiner's books about the Serpent Grail, which contain much useful information too, about the origins of the serpent myth and its relationship to the Alchemical tradition amongst other things.
Thank you very much for posting such extensive and valuable info.
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mynameis
27-05-2007, 10:49 PM
Since Ptolemy based his astronomy on other older civilization, I forgot about this constellation all together. The constellation also doesn't have a regular zodiac host so I completely forgot about the significance when they dropped the zodiac constellation. The four houses of constellations of three are equal as the twelve of the zodiac we know. I wonder who's been pondering on the ramifications of 13 months of the zodiac, i am all i am?
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27-05-2007, 10:51 PM
Stunning information, really - I'd like to come back on IAAIA as soon as I have finished Philip gardiner's books about the Serpent Grail, which contain much useful information too, about the origins of the serpent myth and its relationship to the Alchemical tradition amongst other things.
Thank you very much for posting such extensive and valuable info.
You are welcome Zircon.
There is more to come.
And mentioning the name Gardiner has reminded me that I have Lawrence Gardiners book, 'Realms of the Ring Lords', which has a lot of information from the "Attache to the Grand Protectorate of the Imperial Dragon court" that has releveance to this thread. Thanks for the reminder !!!
I'll be glad to have your input of information to further flesh out this thread as well Zircon, thank you, and I look forward to hearing what information that you will share from 'The Serpent Grail'.
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didgeylee
28-05-2007, 04:49 PM
I guess this throws a major spanner in the works of modern astrology?
Had my birth chart done recently and was vary impressed.
Up until now!
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28-05-2007, 05:08 PM
I guess this throws a major spanner in the works of modern astrology?
Had my birth chart done recently and was vary impressed.
Up until now!
G'day Digeylee.
There was always some amiss with astrology for me.
It didn't 'grab me' with the sun sign thing that is popular in papers and magazines...then I found out about the moon sign and ascending sign, still it seemed something was amiss...then I was told years ago about there being a 13th star sign and didn't look into to it until a couple of weeks ago...now, understanding a bit about symbolism, it hit me like a tonne of bricks and made sense with all of the mythologies of older cultures that I have read about and the precession of the equinox.
Anyway, thanks for your interest, there's plenty more to come as well.
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28-05-2007, 05:27 PM
http://www.crystalinks.com/chicomecoatl.jpg
In Aztec mythology, Chicomecoatl ("Seven Serpent", also the name of a day of the Aztec calendar) was a goddess of food and produce, especially maize and, by extension, a goddess of fertility.
http://www.crystalinks.com/chantico.jpg
In Aztec mythology, Chantico ("she who dwells in the house") was the goddess of fires in the family hearth and volcanoes. She broke a fast by eating paprika with roasted fish, and was turned into a dog by Tonacatecuhtli. She also wears a crown of poisonous cactus spikes, and takes the form of a red serpent.
http://www.crystalinks.com/chalchiutlicue.jpg
Chalchiuhtlicue (also Chalciuhtlicue, or Chalcihuitlicue) the day 5 Serpent
http://www.crystalinks.com/cihuacoatl.jpg
In Aztec mythology, Cihuacoatl ("snake woman"; also Chihucoatl, Ciucoatl) was one of a number of motherhood and fertility goddesses. (See also Ilamatecuhtli, Teteoinnan, Tlazolteotl, and Toci.)
http://www.crystalinks.com/coatlicue.jpg
Coatlicue, also known as Teteoinan (also transcribed Teteo Inan) ("The Mother of Gods"), is the Aztec goddess who gave birth to the moon, stars, and Huitzilopochtli, the god of the sun and war. She is also known as Toci, ("Our Grandmother"), and Cihuacoatl, ("The Lady of the serpent"), the patron of women who die in childbirth.
The Aztec goddess of earth and fire, and mother of the gods and mother of the stars of the southern sky. Her daughter is the goddess Coyolxauhqui. Coatlicue was magically impregnated by a ball of feathers. Her outraged children decapitated her, but the god Huitzilopochtli emerged fully armed from his mother's womb and slew many of his brothers and sisters. She represented the type of the devouring mother in whom were combined both the womb and the grave. Coatlicue was a serpent goddess, depicted wearing a skirt of snakes.
http://www.crystalinks.com/ehecatl.jpg
In Aztec mythology, Ehecatl ("wind") was the god of wind, an aspect of Quetzalcoatl.
http://www.crystalinks.com/mixcoatl.jpg
Mixcoatl, meaning ³cloud serpent,² was the god of the hunt and identified with the Milky Way, the stars, and the heavens in several Mesoamerican cultures
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zircon
28-05-2007, 11:06 PM
Yes the symbol of the snake in the sky symbolises the meeting point between the ecliptic and galaxy, the so-called stargate between Scorpio and Saggitarius, just where serpens is located. This has been occulted away as it is meant as a coded secret to be discovered.
The 12 signs of the inner zodiac are the correct number, the 13th one is a secret that lies behind and represents another level, that of the imprisonment on this planet.
The earth has been cordoned off from the living etheric forces of the other "spheres" and etheric beings that are the planets. This happened because the whole solar system was disturbed. The earth became the silent planet locked out and separated; the key to this lock is the moon; and the moon holds the energy that makes this lock real. It is symbolised by the serpent, the ourobouros, that encircles the Earth (look at the NATO symbol).
The stargate is the point identified by the Egyptians and others (in the place of the 13th sign) as the escape route / or entry point from this.
This disturbance caused the pole shifts and are referred to as the Zep Tepi.
Since then the powerful Evil Mind has organised humanity to rush forward technologically to help its leaders to find a way to escape, at any cost to humanity, and by placating us with material benefits.
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zircon
28-05-2007, 11:17 PM
Before that time (see Velikovski) there was a time remembered in human tradition, when the moon was smaller (ie because it was a planet in orbit around the sun and not around Earth) or when the moon did not exist as a satellite of earth. The moon and the dragon are often interchangeable.
Earth without a moon: http://www.varchive.org/itb/sansmoon.htm
The moon worshiped by adamite man: http://www.varchive.org/itb/moonwor.htm
Previous beings on earth before adamite man: http://www.varchive.org/itb/ecadam.htm
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28-05-2007, 11:47 PM
Before that time (see Velikovski) there was a time remembered in human tradition, when the moon was smaller (ie because it was a planet in orbit around the sun and not around Earth) or when the moon did not exist as a satellite of earth. The moon and the dragon are often interchangeable.
Earth without a moon: http://www.varchive.org/itb/sansmoon.htm
The moon worshiped by adamite man: http://www.varchive.org/itb/moonwor.htm
Previous beings on earth before adamite man: http://www.varchive.org/itb/ecadam.htm
Thanks for the links and the information Zircon.
I have had a lot of thoughts about similar ideas and how it all fits together. It will be great to have something to read that talks about this and gives me another perspective, thank you.
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lapis
29-05-2007, 01:20 AM
i am all i am,
What a great thread.....and all the visuals too. Wow, it's all I can do just getting the words out! ;)
Seriously, this is great, and not many people are very familiar with the "13th" constellation. I only discovered it a few years ago myself and I've been involved with astrology for 35+ years now. It sounds like humanity is returning to a point where they need to deal with, reintegrate, this ancient awareness etc.
For awhile now I've been sensing deeper meanings behind the "12" and then the "13th" of a lot of different things. Again I sense that humanity has reached the point where we're spiritually evolving beyond the long-standing "12" consciousness, back into a "13" type of beingness, consciousness. I think us having to consider this 13th constellation, the Serpent Holder, is a huge aspect of this process of our expanding awareness right now.
To me the whole Mayan calendar system is much like this too. We think we know what it is, what it means, but we're learning that it's much much larger than what our awareness could comprehend earlier. There's nothing wrong with astrology, a 13th constellation, the Mayan calendar, 2012, etc......only our limited awareness of these ancinet multidimensional systems IMO.
Again, a really great thread with so many helpful visuals. Thanks for all you hard work on this. :)
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i am all i am
29-05-2007, 02:29 AM
i am all i am,
What a great thread.....and all the visuals too. Wow, it's all I can do just getting the words out! ;)
Seriously, this is great, and not many people are very familiar with the "13th" constellation. I only discovered it a few years ago myself and I've been involved with astrology for 35+ years now. It sounds like humanity is returning to a point where they need to deal with, reintegrate, this ancient awareness etc.
For awhile now I've been sensing deeper meanings behind the "12" and then the "13th" of a lot of different things. Again I sense that humanity has reached the point where we're spiritually evolving beyond the long-standing "12" consciousness, back into a "13" type of beingness, consciousness. I think us having to consider this 13th constellation, the Serpent Holder, is a huge aspect of this process of our expanding awareness right now.
To me the whole Mayan calendar system is much like this too. We think we know what it is, what it means, but we're learning that it's much much larger than what our awareness could comprehend earlier. There's nothing wrong with astrology, a 13th constellation, the Mayan calendar, 2012, etc......only our limited awareness of these ancinet multidimensional systems IMO.
Again, a really great thread with so many helpful visuals. Thanks for all you hard work on this. :)
You are welcome Lapis.
Numbers have been very helpful for me understanding the things that I intuite and sense physically and their relationship. 1 in 3, 3 in 1. One individuated aspect of ALL THAT IS within three parts, mind, soul, body; future, present, past; thought, word, action; there, in between, here. Three parts in one experience. There is a lot within the relationship of the numbers that are co-joined, that is, those beyond the 01/1/2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9/10 initial cycle, or circle, of numbers, represented through the body as one thumb (01), the fingers (2/3/4/5/6/7/8/9), to the other thumb (10). The first and the last, the begining and the end, the alpha and the omega. This is definitely a 'time' of awakening to our true potential and an exciting period of 'history' to be incarnated within, I am loving the experience.
Although I have put the hours (days) in on this thread, it has been fun and it is something that I had heard about years ago and didn't get around to looking into. I've also got a lot more pictures and info to add, so I appreciate everyone that is willing to read the thread and look into the links available as well. I am going to get into some interdimensional aspects with this after I have added some more, and would love for you to add to the discussion with the knowledge that you have, as with everyone else as well. Hopefully we can all share our understandings and bring them together to create a more complete picture of our experience, where we are headed, how we got here, etc, etc.
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lapis
29-05-2007, 02:38 AM
"Lets make a difference"
We all are. :) Looking forward to what you've got in-the-works iaaia.
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i am all i am
29-05-2007, 01:00 PM
There are many Egyptians Gods represented by snakes.
Here is a list of a few of them.....
Name...................Symbol............Gender
Amaunet................Snake...............Female
Apophis.............Chaos Serpent.........Male
(Apep)
Atum.....................Snake................Male
Hauhet..................Snake...............Female
Kauket..................Snake...............Female
Mandulis.........crown w/ cobras.........Male
Mehen..................Serpent...............Male
Meretseger.............Cobra...............Female
(Mertseger)
Naunet..................Snake...............Female
Renenet.................Cobra...............Female
Set...................Coiled Cobra...........Male
Tefnut...................Cobra...............Femal e
Wadjet..................Cobra...............Female
(Edjo)
http://www.musesrealm.net/egypt/gods.html
Amaunet is an Egyptian mother goddess, also referred to as the Hidden One. She's the personification of the Northern Wind. She's know as "the mother who is father" and is therefore not in need of a husband. She is portrayed as a snake or a snake-head on which the crown of Lower Egypt rests.
http://www.pagannews.com/images/ra.jpg
Associated symbol of RA, a Snake circling the Sun
http://www.bookofbugs.com/egyptian_gods/images/nebket_wadjet.jpg
Portrayed as a cobra wearing a Red Crown of Lower Egypt, Wadjet was a symbol of soverignty.
http://gtae.users.btopenworld.com/wadjet_snakeLyn.jpg
http://www.bookofbugs.com/egyptian_gods/images/wadjet.jpg
She is uraeus on the Kings forehead, ready to spit venom or strike his ememies.
http://www.boulderbellygrams.com/cobra.gif
Buto, the Egyptian snake goddess. She was a cobra goddess
whose cult-center was in the Delta of the Nile. She was also called the "Lady of Heaven" and
the Queen of all the gods.
http://www.thekeep.org/~kunoichi/kunoichi/themestream/renenutet_snakes.jpg
Renenutet (Renenet, Ernutet, Thermuthis, Thermouthis, Termuthis), "She Who Rears", was a cobra goddess
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a8/Apep_2.jpg
An Egyptian deity slays the snake-like Apep
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/2803/proto-religion/wing-disk.jpg
In Egypt, we find the connection with an eagle and venomous snake partially confirmed by the very common picture of the winged sun-disk with uraeus.
http://www.resurrectisis.org/Q1_files/colorwingtc.gif
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/2803/proto-religion/sky-snake.jpg
The Sky-Snake
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tinmenace
29-05-2007, 01:02 PM
The rabbit/hare slaying Apep, isn't a rabbit/hare generally accepted as the sign of fertility?
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The rabbit/hare slaying Apep, isn't a rabbit/hare generally accepted as the sign of fertility?
Now.. about ---> "Apis opposing ---> Hare (fertility, ...or, the full cyrcle --> the 12th --> hour ...before the thirteenth, a new cyrcle..)"
"Remember the Four Genii" http://www.revealer.com/confus.gif
http://www.quicksilvermint.com/medallions/catalog-images/z-Scorpio.jpg
Scorpio
~ Oct 23 – Nov 21
SIGNS OF THE ZODIAC (http://www.quicksilvermint.com/medallions/pages/scorpio.htm)
Scorpius (the scorpion) is one of the constellations of the zodiac. In western astrology it is known as "Scorpio". It lies between Libra to the west and Sagittarius to the east. It is a large constellation located in the southern hemisphere near the center of the Milky Way.
The Secret Teachings of All Ages (http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache:6baKEiUHBp8J:altreligion.about.com/library/texts/bl_secretteachings12.htm+scorpio+constellation+was +eagle+or+scarab&hl=nl&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=nl)
(...)The first six signs of the zodiac of twelve signs were regarded as benevolent, because the sun occupied them while traversing the Northern Hemisphere. The 6,000 years during which, according to the Persians, Ahura-Mazda ruled His universe in harmony and peace, were symbolic of these six signs. The second six were considered malevolent, because while the sun was traveling the Southern Hemisphere it was winter with the Greeks, Egyptians, and Persians. Therefore these six months symbolic of the 6,000 years of misery and suffering caused by the evil genius of the Persians, Ahriman, who sought to overthrow the power of Ahura-Mazda.
Those who hold the opinion that before its revision by the Greeks the zodiac consisted of only ten signs adduce evidence to show that Libra (the Scales) was inserted into the zodiac by dividing the constellation of Virgo Scorpio (at that time one sign) into two parts, thus establishing "the balance" at the point of equilibrium between the ascending northern and the descending southern signs. (See The Rosicrucians, Their Rites and Mysteries, by Hargrave Jennings.) On this subject Isaac Myer states: "We think that the Zodiacal constellations were first ten and represented an immense androgenic man or deity; subsequently this was changed, resulting in Scorpio and Virgo and making eleven; after this from Scorpio, Libra, the Balance, was taken, making the present twelve." (The Qabbalah.)
http://z.about.com/d/altreligion/1/0/6/o/8/stextsecret201.jpg
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The summer solstice is regarded as occurring .......which the Egyptians called the scarab--a beetle of the family Lamellicornes, the head of the insect kingdom, and sacred to the Egyptians as the symbol of Eternal Life.
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(...)Therefore, when it is said that the sun is in Taurus, it means (astronomically) that the sun is in the sign opposite to Taurus, which is Scorpio. This resulted in two distinct schools of philosophy: one geocentric and exoteric, the other heliocentric and esoteric. While the ignorant multitudes worshiped the house of the sun's reflection, which in the case described would be the Bull, the wise revered the house of the sun's actual dwelling, which would be the Scorpion, or the Serpent, the symbol of the concealed spiritual mystery. [/B]This sign has three different symbols. The most common is that of a Scorpion, who was called by the ancients the backbiter, being the symbol of deceit and perversion; the second (and less common) form of the sign is a Serpent, often used by the ancients to symbolize wisdom.
Probably the rarest form of Scorpio is that of an Eagle. The arrangement of the stars of the constellation bears as much resemblance to a flying bird as to a scorpion. Scorpio, being the sign of occult initiation, the flying eagle--the king of birds--represents the highest and most spiritual type of Scorpio, in which it transcends the venomous insect of the earth. As Scorpio and Taurus are opposite each other in the zodiac, their symbolism is often closely intermingled. The Hon. E. M. Plunket, in Ancient Calendars and Constellations, says: "The Scorpion (the constellation Scorpio of the Zodiac opposed to Taurus) joins with Mithras in his attack upon the Bull, and always the genii of the spring and autumn equinoxes are present in joyous and mournful attitudes."
The Egyptians, the Assyrians, and the Babylonians, who knew the sun as a Bull, called the zodiac a series of furrows, through which the great celestial Ox dragged the plow of the sun. Hence the populace offered up sacrifice and led through the streets magnificent steers, bedecked with flowers and surrounded with priests, dancing girls of the temple, and musicians. The philosophic elect did not participate in these idolatrous ceremonials, but advocated them as most suitable for the types of mind composing the mass of the population. These few possessed a far deeper understanding, as the Serpent of Scorpio upon their foreheads--the Uræus--bore witness.
The sun is often symbolized with its rays in the form of a shaggy mane.
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The Four Cherubim.
Secrets of the Sphinx.© (http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache:OMpgZG7a9G0J:www.revealer.com/cherubim.htm+The+summer+solstice+was+in+scorpio+on es&hl=nl&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=nl)
[B]In this chapter we are going to learn about Egypt’s four minor sphinxes, Ezekiel’s four cherubs, or the four genii as they are called in some of our more ancient legends. Let us begin by looking at the word “genii,” which is the plural form of the word “genius.”
One could define genius as a person of phenomenal and original powers or as the guardian spirit of an individual.
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Four Cherubim in Current Epoch
Let us make a model to see if we can locate and understand the two missing cherubim. Picture a right angle cross with four arms of equal length. Next, place the Autumnal Equinox and Leo the Lion at the end of the top arm. Position the Spring Equinox and Aquarius the Man on the bottom arm of the cross on the same line as Leo the Lion.
Now take the Sphinx, that runs around binding things together, and skewer it on the vertical beam of the cross between Aquarius and Leo. Calm Down! We’re using imaginary lines, so it doesn’t hurt. Now that we all have the Great Sphinx of Giza on the vertical beam of the cross binding the Man and the Lion, we are getting our first glimpse of the male aspect of this hermaphroditic Sphinx.
In due time, we will meet the Sphinx and a few of its mythological friends on our journey to the twilight zone. They will unite to reveal their hidden-timely symbol, but, as you can plainly see, I don’t mind lifting a few veils to expose some clues along the way.
Let us remove the Great Sphinx from our imaginary cross and return it to the Zodiac to bind Virgo, the Virgin, and Leo, the Lion. Now the Sphinx has its feminine face or aspect again.
Place the Summer Solstice of June 21 on the right arm of the cross. It is just Dawning into Taurus, the Bull, at this time in the Platonic year. Now, put the Bull over the Summer Solstice. The Summer Solstice will take the next 2,150 years to travel westward through the constellation of Taurus.
Let’s place the Winter Solstice on the left arm of the cross, and then we can go find that Eagle who cohabits with a Scorpion. Yes, they dwell in the constellation of Scorpio, which Abraham of Biblical fame always called the Eagle. Put that Eagle on the left end of the cross.
If we check the heavens on December 21, we will find the Winter-Solstice sun is just dawning into Scorpio, and it will be traversing that constellation for the next 2,150 years.
We are now observing how the four cherubim look when the cross lines up with them at this time in the Platonic year. Let us take the four genii off the cross and put them into the wheel of the Zodiac where they belong. We will leave the Spring and Autumnal Equinoxes, along with the Summer and Winter Solstices, attached to the ends of the cross.
Now put the cross in the middle of the Zodiac and spin it. Don’t hold your breath! The cross is going to take 25,800 years to make one revolution. Notice! We have the ancient and universal symbol for the planet Earth — a cross in a circle.
Let me show you a trick. Turn the cross to put the Vernal Equinox in Aries where it was 2,000 to 4,000 years ago. Now check the right arm of the cross where the Summer Solstice is attached. If all is going well, it should be in the constellation of Cancer.
http://www.revealer.com/aries.gif
Platonic Year 4,000 Years Ago
(Cross takes 25,800 years to make one turn through the twelve ages)
This gives us the Tropic of Cancer on every map and globe. Check the location of the Winter Solstice. That’s right! It is in the Tropic of Capricorn that is also depicted on our maps and globes. That was our position in this great year 2,000 to 4,000 years ago.
Turn the Vernal Equinox to the sixth age of the world or the Piscean Age. That is where the first day of spring has been for the last 2,000 years. We now have the Tropic of Gemini replacing the Tropic of Cancer on the Summer Solstice. We also find the Winter Solstice on the Tropic of Sagittarius instead of the Tropic of Capricorn.
The map and globe makers must have fallen asleep with the tropical astrologers for the last 2,000-plus years! It is beginning to look as if they may have their work cut out for them. Using 10 percent of our brain’s potential at the end of the sixth age, maybe we are all a little behind the times.
One of the purposes of this book is to remind the map makers and the astrologers of their responsibility to rectify the names of the solstices and the equinoxes on our charts, maps, and globes. When we finish reading this book and you fully comprehend the secrets being revealed to you, I hope that you will support me when I request that we upgrade our maps and charts.
Let us keep turning the cross and put the first day of Spring at the dawning of Aquarius, where we are at this time in the Platonic year. Yes! Our four cherubim are lining up again.
http://www.revealer.com/manepoch.gif
Current Position in Platonic Year
(Cross takes 25,800 years to make one turn through the twelve ages)
Our Summer Solstice is in Taurus, so we can change the Tropic of Cancer on our maps and globes to the Tropic of Taurus. Ah, the Winter Solstice is in Scorpio, so the Tropic of Capricorn needs to be renamed the Tropic of Scorpio.
Now we have the Autumnal Equinox in Leo the Lion, the Vernal Equinox in Aquarius the Man, the Summer Solstice in Taurus the Bull, and the Winter Solstice in Scorpio with the Eagle.
Spring, or a new beginning for man, is progressing into Aquarius, and our Fall is heading into the Lion at this time in the Platonic year. I believe, as we enter this major turning point, we begin to remember who we are and from whence we sprang. Our lower-animalistic essence and the misinterpretations of our myths start to fall into the fire of Leo as our spiritual beings re-emerge into the heavens or air of Aquarius.
When your ready, take the cross and spin it 180 degrees. This puts the Spring into the beast or Lion and the Fall into the Man. This is 13,000 years ago when the continent of Atlantis supposedly sank.
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Platonic Year 13,000 Years Ago
This era in the Platonic year can be interpreted in some of the creation stories as the fall of man into the beast or the fall from the garden. This was the time when mankind’s spring was cut short because he was bullheaded enough to be tricked and stung by the scorpion. Man was expelled from the garden and cast into the darkness of the lion's jungle.
Genesis 3:24 says: When God expelled man from the Garden of Eden, he settled him east of the garden, and he stationed the cherubim and the fiery revolving sword to guard the way to the tree of life.
Has anybody heard this allegory before? If this information is ringing a bell and you are still interested in un-weaving some more fascinating material, take a deep breath, close your eyes, and let what we are learning sink in. When you’re ready, spin into the spelling class coming up in the next chapter, and we will have some more fun playing school.
Secrets of the Sphinx is an uplifting experience and an easy book to read. You will be thinking about this publication long after you set it down!
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"Remember the Four Genii"
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http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2003/images/magneticcracks/breach_strip.jpg
Cracks in Earth's Magnetic Shield
Immense cracks in our planet's magnetic field can remain open for hours, allowing the solar wind to gush through and power stormy space weather.
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2003/03dec_magneticcracks.htm
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2003/images/magneticfield/comparison1_strip.gif
Earth's Inconstant
Magnetic Field
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2003/29dec_magneticfield.htm
Coronal Mass Ejections and the Earth's Magnetic Field
http://centra.ist.utl.pt/outreach/images/sun-earth.jpg/en/image_view
[gray[/B]"]scarab-2-insect IMG] http://www.artshole.co.uk/arts/artists/Kris%20Manalien/scarab-2.jpg
fig 1. Capitol Hill http://www.incapabledesetaire.com/edito/secretwash.htm
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5/29/2007 8:21 AM Re: December 21, 2012 is a Hoax
Re: December 21, 2012 is a Hoax
search for the thread omg this is big 2007 grand conjunction
link to www.incapabledesetaire.com (http://www.incapabledesetaire.com/edito/secretwash.htm) ]
2012 is dec 23 2007 where the planets form a christan cross.
Mayan calender is disinfo.time ends in 07
http://www.tutanchamun-game.de/downloads/bilderKatalog/images/scarab.jpg
energy_rebounds_earth_01
http://www.phschool.com/science/science_news/articles/images/energy_rebounds_earth_01.jpg
ONE HOT DOUGHNUT
ONE HOT DOUGHNUT. Gas ejected from the ionosphere (green) becomes trapped in Earth's magnetic field (orange cloud). These particles then flow at high speed in a ring (blue) around Earth.
NASA
(http://www.phschool.com/science/science_news/articles/energy_rebounds_earth.html)
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zircon
29-05-2007, 03:58 PM
i am all i am,
.. Again I sense that humanity has reached the point where we're spiritually evolving beyond the long-standing "12" consciousness, back into a "13" type of beingness, consciousness. I think us having to consider this 13th constellation, the Serpent Holder, is a huge aspect of this process of our expanding awareness right now.
I'm afraid I don't think i could agree that awareness of the serpentine identity of the 13th constellation is going to take us forward a great deal, as it has probably always been known to occult masters, and deliberately occulted away. It might help us to uncover the reasons and plans behind such occult wisdom; and, as it represents the stargate and thus the key to our imprisonment by the lunar forces, it could help us understand the nature of that lock. That it is to say, that the "reality" of our present circumstances was put in place for a reason to hold in some deadly force, that of the unfolding power of serpent-consciousness and its agenda for earth.
As that agenda does not appear to have human wellbeing at its heart, I'd be loath to say that being a part of that consciousness is in any way good.
We just need to know why it is there and how it works.
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mynameis
29-05-2007, 04:49 PM
The Fomorean race was said to have red hair, double sets of teeth, and giant-size appearance, and 12 fingers and toes. I don't know much besides what little I've read on them. I thought I would pop this in just in case.
Serpent Mound
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serpent_Mound
Ancient Fort
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Ancient,_Ohio
Ancient Astronomical Indian Highway
http://www.ancientamerican.com/article29p1.htm
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i am all i am
29-05-2007, 09:24 PM
Horus' right eye had also been gouged out, which explained why the moon, which it represented, was so weak compared to the sun.
http://www.crystalinks.com/horus.html
http://www.bookofbugs.com/egyptian_gods/images/nebket_wadjet.jpg
http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/eye1.jpg
http://www.mallorcaweb.net/masm/conobs/mitser.gif
The star in the position of the 'right eye' of Ophiuchus is.....
Alpha Serpentis (α Ser / α Serpentis) is a triple star.
Is Alpha Serpentis (the 'right eye' of Ophiuchus) the eye that Horus had gauged out by Set (Set - symbol - Coiled Cobra) ???
"...the Eye of Horus hath made me holy...I will hide myself among you, O ye stars which are imperishable. My brow is the brow of Ra."
The Pyramid Texts
"That which has been shut fast [dead] hath been opened by the command of the Eye of Horus, which hath delivered me. Established are the beauties of the forehead of Ra."
The Pyramid Texts
"Come, the Eye of Horus hath delivered for me my soul, my ornaments are established on the brow of Ra. Light is on the faces of those who are in the members of Osiris."
The Pyramid Texts
"Perfect is the Eye of Horus. I have delivered the Eye of Horus, the shining one, the ornament of the Eye of Ra, the Father of the Gods."
The Pyramid Texts
"I shall see the Gods and the Eye of Horus burning with fire before my eyes."
The Pyramid Texts
"Behold [the fire] risith in Abydos and it cometh; I cause it to come, the Eye of Horus. It is set in order upon thy brow, O Osiris Khenti-Amenti; it is set in the shrine and riseth on thy brow."
The Pyramid Texts
The Divine Eye in Ancient Egypt and in the Midrashic Interpretation of Formative Judaism
The eye has religious and metaphorical meanings that go beyond the physical dynamics of seeing. In particular, the eye is present in specific manifestations in different religious cultures and communicates intricate values of a particular religion.............
..............Generally, the eye in both traditions, ancient Egypt and rabbinic Judaism in late antiquity, represented an all-seeing and omnipresent divinity.........
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2003/2003-13.html
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edelweiss pirate
29-05-2007, 09:48 PM
I'm afraid I don't think i could agree that awareness of the serpentine identity of the 13th constellation is going to take us forward a great deal, as it has probably always been known to occult masters, and deliberately occulted away. It might help us to uncover the reasons and plans behind such occult wisdom; and, as it represents the stargate and thus the key to our imprisonment by the lunar forces, it could help us understand the nature of that lock. That it is to say, that the "reality" of our present circumstances was put in place for a reason to hold in some deadly force, that of the unfolding power of serpent-consciousness and its agenda for earth.
As that agenda does not appear to have human wellbeing at its heart, I'd be loath to say that being a part of that consciousness is in any way good.
We just need to know why it is there and how it works.
I disagree that the serpent symbol represents a star gate. I think it more likely that the serpent represents the vril force manifested thriough the male genitalia.
When Moses doubted he was really hearing the voice of God, he was asked what he was holding in his hand. When he replied that he was holding a rod, he is commanded to throw it to the ground. When he does, the rod becomes a serpent. When he picks it up it becomes a rod again. Later, under the direction of Moses, when Aaron throws his rod down before Pharaoh, it becomes a snake as well.(Exodus 7:1-16).....
This shows that when the men 'throw down their rods' they are really diverting the male sexual energy from the chakras or glands, and channeling it up, indeed as they say, through the crown chakra or pineal gland...
The kindalini vril force, when mastered, or rather when it masters you, leaves the male completely sexually impotent... the energy 'plug' which draws energy for sex being eliminated, the process of using that energy for mental awareness increases dramatically....
Look at the Alfa Romeo logo to see how the Orders see it... The Kubdalini vril force devouring the man who awoke it..
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zircon
29-05-2007, 09:58 PM
Yes I definitely see your point about kundalini. Certainly there's a clear possible link to the serpens constellation and to the control of (or by) the vril energy. But I see that being linked to a stargate, through the galactic centre, not as a separate 13th zodiac symbol, more of an occult transcendence of the 12 different signs, using the energy, not being used by it. We still have to understand the difference between the two.:)
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zircon
30-05-2007, 09:48 PM
I found a very interesting article, written however in around 2000, at a time of joyous expectation about coming changes - before 9/11 and similar tricks. It's a very good summary of many things that have led up to the current lifting of the veil, and - I think - closely examines the probable reality of the inter-dimensional entities.
http://www.templeofsakkara.com/kencousenstreatise.htm
I'd recommend it as a very useful read.
I'd like to know what has become of the writers, as nothing seems to have been posted on it recently.
Anyway, here is a very interesting section about the serpent.
"It is interesting that many ancient traditions speak of the fire of creation as a serpent that resides at the base of the spine, a serpent that awaits activation to burn through the dross of our mis-creations towards the crown of our conscious awakening. All indigenous traditions of this Earth speak of the serpentine energy and power, so isn't it interesting that it is the reptilian force that has at once and the same time been the power of life itself while being the conduit of that which has tried to control the life force on this planet. Life in an argument with itself. A quantum force of fusion seeking its own liberation by the energy thus engendered. The Egyptians recognized this with their reverence for reptiles and especially the use of crocodiles in many of their ceremonies and temples. Many of their sites incorporated pools underneath the initiatory chambers where crocodiles swam and from whom the primal energy could be tapped. Out of this tradition came the anointing process and ceremonies in which the fat from the crocodile was used to identify those who had attained higher levels of consciousness. This fat was known as messeh from which a later word in Hebrew was derived, messiah, essentially meaning he who was set apart and who was to lead by virtue of such elevation."
"With the overlay now removed we have the opportunity to re-access our original blueprints contained in the Akashic records that contain everything we have ever done or experienced on this planet. All is merging into a singularity of consciousness in the integrated wholeness of our divine selves as perfectly reflected in the forms that we now occupy should we so choose this as the reality we wish to create for ourselves. The nature of a morphogenetic field is such that when one individual or a group begin to resonate at a certain level of energy and frequency, it permeates out through the rest of the matrix, lifting all up in the process. The twin pillars spoken of before literally stand around each cell of our bodies and around each human form. They are centered at the gateway of our hearts awaiting us to release the illusions that bind us prior to passing through the pillars and to enter into a higher realm. As we do so the reality we find ourselves in will progressively transform itself and a new reality will begin to adhere to our resonant forms vibrating at an ever higher frequency built on a foundation of Love and undifferentiated Light."
Does anyone know about this website?
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fuknut
01-06-2007, 02:17 PM
Does anyone know about this website?
We do NOW :D:D
Quite intersting read - all about firing the earth grid, pyramids and the likes.
She :confused: or He also makes referrals to our own Mr Icke.
Very good read - lots of info - be prepared to spend time and open all their pages
:D
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zircon
01-06-2007, 04:55 PM
Agreed, very interesting stuff - some by Ken Cousens, and some by Mary Hardy... but I'd like to know what they're up to since 2000..
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zircon
01-06-2007, 04:56 PM
Sorry just seen their audio stuff on a 2006 conference..
http://www.templeofsakkara.com/conference.htm#audio
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tinmenace
02-06-2007, 08:03 PM
I’ve been researching some of the symbols that appear in this thread. I think that serpents and reptiles have been covered by many, and for some reason I just decided to take a closer look at the EAGLE.
The Eagle permeates so much of our daily lives through symbolism, and I could fill 10 pages with examples, but I think that most people would immediately agree on this, and so I’ll skip right over pointing out the obvious.
Instead I’d like to focus more on who this Eagle is, and what he means.
I’d like to start by looking at the animal. There was a time where, in England, "EAGLE" referred specifically to the Golden Eagle. So, although the Eagle that floods the symbolism in America is supposedly the Bald Eagle, I feel as though the very source of Eagle symbolism comes from the Golden Eagle, starting with Aetos Dios – which I will come to later a little further down.
The Eagle is mainly an Old World animal, and only two species appear in North America; the Bald Eagle and the Golden Eagle. The scientific name for the Golden Eagle is Aquila Chrysaetos. (Christ?)
Symbolism is mostly shown through artistic visuals, and for that reason I want to demonstrate how similar, in shape, these two BIRDS OF PREY are;
http://www.globalfailure.com/images/golden_eagle1.jpg
Golden Eagle
http://www.globalfailure.com/images/TawnBaldEagleLimbRt.jpg
Bald Eagle
http://www.globalfailure.com/images/goldeneagleinflight.jpg
Golden Eagle
http://www.globalfailure.com/images/juvenilebaldeagle.jpg
Juvenile Bald Eagle
I know that we are told that it’s the BALD EAGLE in American symbolism, but based on all the other lies that we’ve been told, and all the secrets that are kept from us, I’m not inclined to take their word for it. I’d like to explore the possibility that Eagle symbolism is based on the GOLDEN EAGLE.
Let’s start with the gods, shall we? Zeus had an immortal Golden Eagle as a companion. There are a few different versions of the story, but they all agree that the Eagle did exist (and still does). The story goes that there once was a very popular mortal king by the name of Periphas (King of Attica) that was transformed into a Golden Eagle by Zeus. Depending on whose version you believe, the motive ranges from jealousy (of Periphas by Zeus), to a reward.
I don’t see how changing a righteous and popular king into an Eagle, subservient to Zeus, can be considered a reward. So, I’m intuitively going to go with the version that Zeus was jealous of Perhiphos, and changed him into an Eagle known as Aetos Dios. I do believe that Zeus became fond of this bird and later gave him certain honors, which include giving him a place amongst the stars in the constellation Aquilla.
Another dubious honor bestowed upon Aestos Dios, by Zeus, was to guard the Sacred Sceptre.
http://www.globalfailure.com/images/bicent.jpg
The sceptre is such an ancient symbol and still exists to this day. A sceptre is an ornamental staff, and symbolizes ruling monarchy (self proclaimed gods).
http://www.druidic.org/visits/normandy/images/louvre-sceptre.jpg
http://www.globalfailure.com/images/eaglewiki.jpg
Source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eagle#Eagles_as_religious_objects)
At some point the Eagle became sceptre.
http://www.globalfailure.com/images/penn.jpg
… when Zeus was beginning warfare against the Titani, ie the sons of Titan, brother of Kronos (Saturn), and had sacrificed to Ouranos (Heaven), he saw an eagle fly nearby as a favourable omen for victory. In return for this happy omen, and particularly because it was indeed followed by victory, he put a golden eagle on his war standards and dedicated it as a protection for his valour." - Greek Lyric II Anacreon Frag 505d (from Fulgentius, Mythologies)
Source (http://www.theoi.com/Ther/AetosDios.html)
http://www.globalfailure.com/images/naziparade.jpg
http://www.globalfailure.com/images/amseal.gif
As I’ve said elsewhere, I believe that the WAR OF THE GODS continues to this day. These symbols were not intended as positive symbols of strength. Their users crafted them as symbols of fascism and oppression.
Gold(en) Eagle - American coin (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4352&page=3)
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tinmenace
02-06-2007, 08:13 PM
Self proclaimed god. The only thing that entitles her to the throne is her DNA. I'd like very much to know what's so special about it.
http://www.globalfailure.com/images/lizwithsceptre.jpg
Another god, worshiped by many. I think his sceptre is a tool of dark magick as well as a symbol of ruling monarchy.
http://www.globalfailure.com/images/benwithsceptre.jpg
Interestingly, both the pope and royals use REGNAL NAMES (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regnal_name) when ascending their thrones. This tactic has been used by the gods throughout the ages.
Virgin Mary is the same as Sumerian Inanna, Babylonian Ishtar, Roman Venus, Greek Aphrodite, Diana, and so on... The same immortal being shifting shapes from one body to the next.
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i am all i am
02-06-2007, 10:59 PM
G'day Tinmenace.
Thanks for the information and the research that you have done.
There is definitely a connection between the eagle and the serpent throughout.
The Eagle Nebula is within the Serpens constellation.
The staff symbolism can also be seen with the winged staff, or caduceus, that also has snakes intertwined around it.
Now, the staff symbolism can be seen from two sources with the greeks. One is Asclepius and the other Hermes.
Here is some information that I found while doing some research on all of this...
The Greeks identified him as Asclepius, the god of medicine. Asclepius was the son of Apollo and Coronis (although some say that his mother was Arsinoë). The story goes that Coronis two-timed Apollo by sleeping with a mortal, Ischys, while she was pregnant by Apollo. A crow brought Apollo the unwelcome news, but instead of the expected reward the crow, which until then had been snow-white, was cursed by Apollo and turned black.
In a rage of jealousy, Apollo shot Coronis with an arrow. Rather than see his child perish with her, Apollo snatched the unborn baby from its mother’s womb as the flames of the funeral pyre engulfed her, and took the infant to Chiron, the wise centaur (represented in the sky by the constellation Centaurus).
Chiron raised Asclepius as his own son, teaching him the arts of healing and hunting. Asclepius became so skilled in medicine that not only could he save lives, he could also raise the dead. On one occasion in Crete, Glaucus, the young son of King Minos, fell into jar of honey and drowned while at play. As Asclepius contemplated the body of Glaucus, a snake slithered towards it. He killed the snake with his staff; then another snake came along with a herb in its mouth and placed it on the body of the dead snake, which magically returned to life. Asclepius took the same herb and laid it on the body of Glaucus, who too was magically resurrected. (Robert Graves suggests that the herb was mistletoe, which the ancients thought had great regenerative properties, but perhaps it was actually willow bark, the source of salicylic acid, the active ingredient in aspirin.) Because of this incident, says Hyginus, Ophiuchus is shown in the sky holding a snake, which became the symbol of healing from the fact that snakes shed their skin every year and are thus seemingly reborn.
Side Note: In Greek mythology, Minos (in Greek Μίνως, genitive Μίνωος) was a mythical king of the island of Crete, son of Zeus and Europa. After his death, Minos became a judge of the dead in Hades. The Minoan civilization has been named after him. By his wife, Pasiphaë, he fathered Ariadne, Androgeus, Deucalion, Phaedra, Glaucus, Catreus, Acacallis, and many others.
Others, though, say that Asclepius received from the goddess Athene the blood of Medusa the Gorgon. The blood that flowed from the veins on her left side was a poison, but the blood from the right side could raise the dead.
Someone else supposedly resurrected by Asclepius was Hippolytus, son of Theseus, who died when he was thrown from his chariot (some identify him with the constellation Auriga, the Charioteer). Reaching for his healing herbs, Asclepius touched the youth’s chest three times, uttering healing words, and Hippolytus raised his head.
Hades, god of the Underworld, began to realize that the flow of dead souls into his domain would soon dry up if this technique became widely known. He complained to his brother god Zeus who struck down Asclepius with a thunderbolt. Apollo was outraged at this harsh treatment of his son and retaliated by killing the three Cyclopes who forged Zeus’ thunderbolts. To mollify Apollo, Zeus made Asclepius immortal (in the circumstances he could hardly bring him back to life again) and set him among the stars as the constellation Ophiuchus.
The brightest star in Ophiuchus is second-magnitude Alpha Ophiuchi, called Rasalhague from the Arabic meaning ‘the head of the serpent collector’. Beta Ophiuchi is called Cebalrai from the Arabic for ‘the shepherd’s dog’; the Arabs visualized a shepherd (the star Alpha Ophiuchi) along with his dog and some sheep in this area.
Delta and Epsilon Ophiuchi are called Yed Prior and Yed Posterior. These are compound names, formed from the Arabic al-yad, meaning ‘hand’, with the Latin words Prior and Posterior added to give names meaning the ‘leading’ and ‘following’ part of the hand.
http://www.ianridpath.com/startales/ophiuchus.htm
Apollo
Side Note: Leto - In the Olympian scheme of things, Zeus is the father of her twins, Apollo and Artemis, the Letoides.
In Roman mythology her equivalent, as mother of Apollo and Diana, is Latona.
.....As the patron of Delphi ("Pythian Apollo"), Apollo was an oracular god. He was the prophetic deity of the Delphic Oracle.....
Side Note: The name of the Pythia derived from Pytho, which in myth was the original name of Delphi. The Greeks derived this place-name from the verb pythein (πύθειν, "to rot"), used of the decomposition of the body of the monstrous serpent Python after she was slain by Apollo.[
.....Apollo also had dominion over colonists, over medicine (mediated through his son Asclepius).....
.....Apollo is known in Greek-influenced Etruscan mythology as Apulu. In Roman mythology he is known as Apollo and increasingly, especially during the third century BC, as Apollo Helios he became identified with Sol, the Sun. In Hellenistic times, Apollo became conflated with Helios, god of the sun, and his sister similarly equated with Selene, goddess of the moon.....
.....Animals sacred to Apollo included.....griffins, mythical eagle-lion hybrids of Eastern origin.....
.....Apollo, the eternal beardless kouros himself, had the most prominent male relationships of all the Greek Gods. That was to be expected from a god who was god of the palaestra, the athletic gathering place for youth who all competed in the nude, a god said to represent the ideal educator and therefore the ideal erastes, or lover of a boy (Sergent, p.102). All his lovers were younger than him, in the style of the Greek pederastic relationships of the time.....
Apollo and the birth of Hermes
Hermes was born on Mount Cyllene in Arcadia. The story is told in the Homeric Hymn to Hermes. His mother, Maia, had been secretly impregnated by Zeus. Maia wrapped the infant in blankets but Hermes escaped while she was asleep. Hermes ran to Thessaly, where Apollo was grazing his cattle. The infant Hermes stole a number of his cows and took them to a cave in the woods near Pylos, covering their tracks. In the cave, he found a tortoise and killed it, then removed the insides. He used one of the cow's intestines and the tortoise shell and made the first lyre. Apollo complained to Maia that her son had stolen his cattle, but Hermes had already replaced himself in the blankets she had wrapped him in, so Maia refused to believe Apollo's claim. Zeus intervened and, claiming to have seen the events, sided with Apollo. Hermes then began to play music on the lyre he had invented. Apollo, a god of music, fell in love with the instrument and offered to allow exchange of the cattle for the lyre. Hence, Apollo became a master of the lyre and Hermes invented a kind of pipes-instrument called a syrinx.
Later, Apollo exchanged a caduceus for a syrinx from Hermes.
Side Note: Maia in Greek mythology, was the eldest of the Pleiades.....She and her sisters were pursued by Orion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo
And of course, we have the connection with the Egyptian God Thoth...
Thoth
.....His chief shrine was at Khemennu, where he was the head of the local company of gods, later renamed Hermopolis by the Greeks (in reference to him through the Greeks' interpretation that he was the same as Hermes) and Eshmûnên by the Arabs.....
.....He was considered the heart and tongue of Ra as well as the means by which Ra's will was translated into speech. He has also been likened to the Logos of Plato and the mind of God. (see The All) In the Egyptian mythology, he has played many vital and prominent roles, including being one of the two gods (the other being Ma'at) who stood on either side of Ra's boat. He has further been involved in arbitration, magic, writing, science, and the judging of the dead.....
Side Note: The All (also called The One, The Absolute, The Great One, The Creator, The Supreme Mind, The Supreme Good, The Father, and The Universal Mother) is the Hermetic or panentheistic view of God, which is that everything that is, or at least that can be experienced, collectively makes up The All. One Hermetic maxim states, "While All is in The All, it is equally true that The All is in All." The All can also seen to be hermaphroditic, possessing both masculine and feminine qualities in equal part .....
.....In 1975, Summum, an esoteric organization whose philosophy also includes the natural principles described in The Kybalion , put forth an explanation behind The All's existence and claims the explanation came from "Summa Individuals" , beings who appear to be what The Kybalion describes as "Unseen Divinities" that intervene and assist with human affairs.....
.....Thoth was also known by specific aspects of himself, for instance the moon god A'ah-Djehuty, representing the moon for the entire month.....
.....Further, the Greeks related Thoth to their god Hermes due to his similar attributes and functions. One of Thoth 's titles, "Three times great, great" (see Titles) was translated to the Greek τρισμεγιστος (Trismegistos) making Hermes Trismegistus.....
.....E. A. Wallis Budge, however, thought Egyptian religion to be primarily monotheistic where all the gods and goddesses were aspects of the God Ra, similar to the Trinity in Christianity and devas in Hinduism. In this view, Thoth would be the aspect of Ra which the Egyptian mind would relate to the heart and tongue.....
.....Thoth has played a prominent role in many of the Egyptian myths. Displaying his role as arbitrator, he had overseen the three epic battles between good and evil.....
.....Thoth was also prominent in the Osiris myth, being of great aid to Isis. After Isis gathered together the pieces of Osiris' dismembered body, he gave her the words to resurrect him so she could be impregnated and bring forth Horus, named for his uncle. When Horus was slain, Thoth gave the formulae to resurrect him as well. Similar to God speaking the words to create the heavens and Earth in Judeo-Christian mythology, Thoth, being the god who always speaks the words that fulfill the wishes of Ra, spoke the words that created the heavens and Earth in Egyptian mythology.....
.....Thoth, like many Egyptian gods and nobility, held many titles. Among these were "Scribe of Ma'at in the Company of the Gods", "Lord of Ma'at", "Lord of Divine Words", "Judge of the Two Combatant Gods", "Judge of the Rekhekhui, the pacifier of the Gods, who Dwelleth in Unnu, the Great God in the Temple of Abtiti", "Twice Great", "Thrice Great", and "Three Times Great, Great".....
For further reading on Thoth, here is a link that shows other connections to the ouroboros, Quetzalcoatl, Viracocha, Nimrod, etc. There is also a link to "The Emerald Tablets of Thoth" at the bottom of the page...
http://www.crystalinks.com/thoth.html
So, Asclepius/Hermes/Thoth, are the same representation of Ophiuchus, and Ophiuchus is positioned in the Serpens constellation, which consists of Caput Draconis and Cauda Draconis, who are possibly the two combatants in "The War of the Gods".
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I find the crystal links stuff useful. Trying to make a synthesis of all the ancient myth surrounding the Serpent, eagle, no to mention other figures, associated with the zodiac and with the Gods of ancient Greece, Egypt, Mesopotamia, Scandinavia, and what about India and China and America, is not an easy task!
I think Hamlet's Mill offers a useful introduction to a possible synthesis. And I like Velikovski's work. I'm getting into Philip gardiner's books, and it's worth mentioning Knight and Lomas who write about masonic origins; and Andrew Collins, who writes about the "Angels" and shamans at the origins of civilisation in the Middle East.
I'll try to get back with contribution when I have more time, but I wrote something about it in connection with T.Balir's ideas for the future world order, http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=52511&postcount=2and in the thread about pre-adamite man http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showpost.php?p=52420&postcount=18
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~ the 13th is 1 befour the 14th Nakshatra (Constellations)
(Rohini or red deer mension of god soma was the 14th - full moon - nakshatra )
Return to: 13th Moon - Journey Into Future Consciousness
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Perspective from the Hindus and the Pleidians
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Pradosham The 13th moon:
Perspective from the Hindus and the Pleidians
August 5th 2006
For some years we have been observing the 13th moon as a window of time to reverse our karma. The Hindu tradition has it that Lord Siva wanted to give a break to the humans as well as Gods from karmic suffering. He selected the 13th moon sunset time (1 ½ hour prior to sunset to do the job. The story says during this time Siva drank poison and as a result his throat became blue. The mythology is so profound. Our throat is the doorway that separates spirit and matter. Our life energy is in the throat. Our karma both individual and collective is in the throat. The expression Adam’s apple has a reference to the secret of the throat. Chanting of a mantra like ‘Tiraneelakantam’ during the 13th moon is beneficial to remove your karma.
Now let us see what the Pleidians have to say about number 13. The Pleidians talk about the 13 month lunar calendar is more powerful. “Contemplating the number 13 as a hidden mystery will bring an understanding of what influences you. Although 13 has been considered a number of ill luck and evil, if you search you will find that it holds a very powerful key for decoding the consciousness of humankind” (p 188 Family of Light, Barbara Marciniak).
Repeating the mantra 'Tiru Neela Kantam' on the 13th moon will open up a new life for you. Also pay attention to the number 13 as well and what it does for you in your day to day life. Thirteen means a new beginning. Most people return to work at the 13th hour after lunch break. Hence between 1:00PM and 2:00PM is renewal of life. Similarly the day changes at 1:00AM which is the 13th hour. “The ruling families on your planet know the significance of the number thirteen and steer you away from its use. Convincing you that it is the number of ill luck or evil. However it is a key to the doorway of the mystery of power” (pg 191 One Family of Light).
Why don't you meditate during 1:00AM and the 13th hour, on the 13th day of the month or on a pradosham day? On a daily basis say number 13 thirteen times.
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Nakshatra (Constellations) Chitra
From 23o20’ virgo to 6o40’ libra and star is governed by mars
Parts of the body : belly , lower part , kidney ,loins , hernia , vasomotor system
Chitra is ruled by Twashtar, the Cosmic craftsman.This is the "star of opportunity". Chitra reflects the world of maya and delusions, which they are to over come.This is the 14th nakshatra of the zodiac,
The symbol is the gem on the serpent's crest .It is anthropomorphically the forehead of Kalapurush.
Indications :
This is the "star of opportunity". These individuals posses charisma, personal charm, and can be flashy and glamorous. They love bright colors and usually have very beautiful eyes with well-proportioned bodies. This is one of the most mystical nakshatras of all. They have deep spiritual depth and with sudden flashes of insight. They are wonderful conversationalist; they say the right thing at the right time. Chitra rules creation, indicating artistic ability, and organizational ability as in architectural design. Many artists are born in this asterism. With an affinity to jewels they may deal with gemstones. Chitra reflects the world of maya and delusions, which they are to over come.
http://www.sudhanshu.com/chitra_nakshatra.htm
Rohini
From 10o Taurus to 23o20’ Taurus , sign ruled by Venus and star is governed by moon
parts of the body : face , mouth , toungue , tonsils , palate ,neck ,cerebellum , atlas, cervical vertibrate.
'Rohini' is the wife of Chandra who is said to have been fond of fine dress, cosmetics and décor and was the most beloved of Chandra or Moon. Those born in the star Rohini are agriculturists, experts, well-behaved, handsome, good speakers and poets. Rohini Nakshatra evokes some degree of jealousy because others may resent that a person gains such abundance. It can increase desire. But these are only side effects to its great prosperity
Indications :
The "star of ascent," the myth implies the suffering our intense desires may bring, for the Moon could not help his desire for Rohini. This is a passionate, sexually seductive nakshatra. These people are very attractive, alluring, and beautiful. They love luxury, art, music and all the finer things life has to offer. They are extremely materialistic and frown on those who don’t measure up to their taste and high culture. They can be spoiled, for nothing ever seems to be good enough for their high standards. They can be extremely critical of others, looking down at their seeming low class. As the myth implies, they can be over sexed, and use sex to get what they want. They can be very artistic and have an appreciation for beauty and the fine arts. This is a growth-oriented nakshatra, ruling crops and fertility. This implies they can rise to the top and achieve their desires. Also there is fertility for procreation, meaning they have children. This nakshatra gives wealth, but they must harness their worldly materialistic desires.
http://www.sudhanshu.com/rohini_nakshatra.htm
Abhjit, "Victorious", the first marked pol-, or life... "At one time Vega was the Pole-star called in Akkadian Tir-anna (" Life of Heaven "),
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Fixed star: VEGA Wega
Constellation: Alpha Lyra
Longitude 1900: 13CAP55. Longitude 2000: 15CAP19.
Declination 1900: +38.41'. Declination 2000: +38.47'.
Right ascension: 18h36m. Latitude: +61.44'.
Spectral class: A1. Magnitude: 0.03.
Suggested orb: 1 deg. approx. Planetary nature: Ven-Mer
History of the star: A pale sapphire star in the Lyre Lyra. Vega from Arabic Al-Waqi' (1), "The stooping" eagle or "The swooping Vulture", and is often referred to as "The Vulture Star", "The Sitting Vulture", "The Falling Grype" and figured with upturned head with a lyre in its beak from the story of Orpheus [who might be described as the prototype of our modern pop-star] who was torn apart by the Maenads, raving mad-women [or fans], they cast the lyre in the river. Jupiter sent a vulture to scoop it out of the river and then placed it in the sky.
Alpha is Wega, less correctly Vega. Waghi, Vuega vel Vagieh, Veka are variations.
Greek titles for it became Allore, Alahore, and Alohore - (?).
Among Latin writers it was Lyra as often the alpha star or lucida takes on the name of the constellation. Flamsteed's had Testa fulgida dicta Lyra; Latin Fidis and Fides "lyre", "string" and Fidicula.
Sayce identifies Wega, in Babylonian astronomy, with Dilgan, "the Messenger of Light", a name also applied to other stars; and Brown writes of it: "At one time Vega was the Pole-star called in Akkadian Tir-anna (" Life of Heaven "), and in Assyrian Dayan-same ("Judge of Heaven"), as having the highest seat therein; but fourteen millenniums have passed since Wega occupied that position!" Due to the precession of the equinoxes, Polaris is now our Pole Star; "the still point in the turning world".
The Chinese called Vega She-niu, "the weaver", and her beloved shepherd, Altair, who meet once a year, crossing the Milky Way. Christians saw Lyra as King David's harp. In Holland's translation of Pliny it is the Harp-star.
It was one of the stars in the Hindu 20th nakshatra, Abhtlit, "Victorious", the most northern of these stellar divisions and far out of the moon's path , but apparently utilized to bring in this splendid object; or, as Mueller says, because it was of specially good omen, for under its influence the gods had vanquished the Asuras; these last being the Hindu divinities of evil, similar to the Titans of Greece. It was the doubtful one of that country's lunar stations, included in some, but omitted in others of their lists in all ages of their astronomy, and entirely different from the corresponding Arabic manzil and Chinese sieu, which lay in Capricorn. The Hindus figured it as a Triangle, or as the three-cornered nut of the aquatic plant Cringata.
Vega, along with Deneb Adige in the Swan, and Altair in the Eagle, [U]forms the Great Summer Triangle. (Allen).
Kynosoura, POLARIS "the still point in the turning world".
Fixed star: POLARIS Cynosura
Constellation: Alpha Ursa Minor
Longitude 1900: 27GEM10. Longitude 2000: 28GEM34.
Declination 1900: +88.46'. Declination 2000: +89.15'.
Right ascension: 02h31m. Latitude: +66.05'.
Spectral class: F8. Magnitude: 2.1.
Suggested orb: 1 deg. approx. Planetary nature: Sat-Ven
History of the star: A star in the tip of the tail of the Little Bear Ursa Minor. Its name comes to us from the Latin, Stella Polaris, meaning "Pole Star".
It was known as the Star of Arcady, a title referring to Arcas, son of Callisto, transferred to the skies, now Ursa Minor, by his father Jove, when ignorantly about to slay his mother (Ursa Major).
Polaris has long been an important star to sailors, caravans of old winding their way over the desert by night and others who navigated their way by the stars. Located almost directly overhead as seen from the North Pole, it is situated at the tip of the tail of the Little Bear, Ursa Minor and the Lucida of that constellation. Perhaps more than any star other than the Sun; Polaris has been regarded as the most important star in the heavens. It has been known by many names in the past; "the Pathway"; "the Pointer" - indicating the way; "Navel of the World", "Gate of Heaven", "Hub of the Cosmos", "the Highest Peak of the World Mountain", "Lodestar"; "the Steering Star"; "the Ship Star"; and Stella Maris "Star of the Sea".
Greek navigators of old called Polaris; Kynosoura, which means "the Dog's Tail". The name came into our English language as Cynosure, which means "an object that serves as a focal point of attention and admiration" or "Something that serves to guide".
The Arabs of old regarded Polaris as a hole in the sky in which the Earth's axis found its bearing. The Norsemen saw Polaris as holding the Universe together, Moguls calling it "the Golden Peg". In Damascus it is called Mismar, a "Needle" or "Nail" and Al Kutb al Shamaliyy, "the Northern Axle", or "Spindle", the Pin fixed in the under stone of a mill around which the upper stone turns.
Indians called it Grahadhara "the Pivot of the Planets" representing the great god Dhruva.
The Turks know it as Yilduz, the Star par excellence; and have a story that its light was concealed for a time after their capture of Constantinople.
The proximity of the stars of the two bears (Ursa Major and Ursa Minor) to the North Celestial Pole gave the impression that they were wheeling around this point, pulling perhaps a plough behind them, tilling the heavenly fields and driven on by Bootes the Bear Driver who chases or herds the Bears around Polaris. Another version of this story has it that the oxen were tied to the polar axis and were driven on by Bootes, assisted by his two dogs Canes Venatici, in order that the rotations of the heavens should never cease.
In spite of Polaris's usefulness in navigation, the Arabs looked on the star as an evil star, calling it Al Kiblah, because it was the star "least distant from the pole". To them it was also Giedi or Al Jadi, Al Jadi, or Juddah, "the Young He Goat", "the slayer of the man" who had slain the Great Warrior of the Sky; who forever lies in the huge coffin outlined by the stars marking the big dipper (Ursa Major), all the other stars mourn for their lost hero and each night march around the sky in a never-ending funeral procession. The villain, Polaris, alone is kept motionless, an outcast forever fixed to the coldest part of the northern sky. Muslims used this star to orient themselves toward Mecca, the place Muslims must face during worship.
To our eyes Polaris appears to be motionless at the center of the field of circumpolar stars, a "still point in the turning world". All the other stars appear to circle around Polaris. But as early as 320 BCE the Greeks has realized that Polaris did not mark the pole exactly. Until then many people had believed that the heavenly Pole was absolutely and eternally fixed. Polaris has long been moving nearer the North Celestial Pole as it is still doing now. It will be closest to that position around 2100 AD. Because the earth wobbles on its axis like a slowly spinning top, the Pole Star once was Thuban, the third star from the end of the tail of Draco. And in a little more that 5000 years from now, Alderamin, the brightest star in the constellation Cepheus, the King, will be the Pole Star. (Allen).
In past ages, whichever star held the position of Pole Star was worshipped as the star of that age. Polaris is now the star of our own age. The planet, Uranus, was discovered a degree (longitude) away from this star.
A good essay on Polaris by Lance Carlyle Carter can be read on this website: http://www.aquarian-age.net/goddess.html
Influence of the constellation: By the Kabalists it is associated with the Hebrew letter Tau and the 21st Tarot Trump "The Universe", "The World". (Robson).
General influence of the star: The Arabs were of the opinion that the contemplation of Polaris cured ophthalmia. (Robson).
The Chinese considered the Pole Star as the 'Great Honorable Lord of the Heavens'. Other races too had high admiration for it and one can draw the conclusion that, in a relevant position in the natal chart, it will give spiritual powers to the bearer and he will be highly respected. The Pole Star serves as a guide and indicator. If it is conjunct with planets in the angles, the native will have a good sense of discretion and is able to follow 'his intellect'. He clearly recognizes his aims and will pursue and achieve them. (Ebertin).
Ptolemy gives it a Saturn-Venus rating entirely right for the star which serves so well to guide us in our wanderings and this is just what it tell us about people when we find it strong in their charts. According to its aspects, they are excellent, or not so good at, receiving and giving guidance, and give it they always will and to any and all who will listen. (Dr Eric Morse).
References
The Fixed Stars and Constellations in Astrology, Vivian E. Robson 1923, Ascella Publications, UK, ISBN: 1 898503 50 8.
Starnames, Their Lore and Meaning, Richard Hinchley Allen, 1889, Dover Publications 1963. ISBN 0-486-21079-0.
The Fixed Stars and Their Interpretations, Ebertin-Hoffman Originally published in 1928. Translation by Irmgard Banks.
The Living Stars, Dr Eric Morse, 1988, Amethyst Books, ISBN 0-944256-02-3.
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z Virginis
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Zeta Virginis is just north of Spica, about a third of the distance from Spica to Arcturus: binoculars.
Between zeta Virginis and gamma Virginis (Porrima) is a delightful binary, Struve 1719: two eighth-magnitude stars which, combined, shine with a visual magnitude of 7.0.
The fixed companion is 7.5" from the primary with a position angle of 1º (due north from the primary). The binary is situated almost exactly in the middle of a triangle formed by gamma, zeta, and delta Virginis: binoculars.
....Iota and Mu Virginis http://www.kepu.gov.cn/zlg/yuzhou/images/ngc/ngc6/n5634.jpg
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May 2007
Show #39: Navigating your way through (part of) the Virgo Cluster
Carpe Noctem - Seize the Night!
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Mastering the Virgo Cluster
Sky & Telescope (Archives) - Cambridge
Author: Alan M MacRobert
Date: May 1994
Section: Backyard Astronomy
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Image credit: NASA - The image of Sirius A and Sirius B taken by Hubble Space Telescope. The white dwarf can be seen to the lower left
CANIS MAJOR
The great Overdog,
That heavenly beast
With a star in one eye,
Gives a leap in the east.
He dances upright
All the way to the west,
And never once drops
On his forefeet to rest.
I'm a poor underdog,
But to-night I will bark
With the great Overdog
That romps through the dark.
Robert Frost, 1928
Quick News
Water identified in extrasolar planet atmosphere.
http://www.astronomy.libsyn.com/index.php?post_id=203863#
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Py -- Pyramids and Pyramid Geometry -- the Great Pyramid
Pythagoras -- Py (a stream cipher) -- Pi (3.14)
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Algorithm 1 Single Round of Py
Input: Y [3; :::; 256], P[0; :::; 255], a 32-bit variable s
Output: 64-bit random output
/*Update and rotate P*/
1: swap (P[0], P[Y [185]&255]);
2: rotate (P);
/* Update s*/
3: s+ = Y [P[72]] Y [P[239]];
4: s = ROTL32(s; ((P[116] + 18)&31));
/* Output 8 bytes (least signicant byte rst)*/
5: output ((ROTL32(s; 25) Y [256]) + Y [P[26]]);
6: output (( s Y [1]) + Y [P[208]]);
/* Update and rotate Y */
7: Y [3] = (ROTL32(s; 14) Y [3]) + Y [P[153]];
8: rotate
A few suggestions on using the fixed stars
Effects: (http://users.winshop.com.au/annew/new_page_1.htm)
Aspects: The fixed stars operate by position and are said to "cast no rays" or, in other words, their aspects are said to be ineffective and their influence to be exerted only by conjunction and parallel.
Some authorities suggest aspects to the fixed stars can be read, but it is only the opposition that is thought to be of any relevance. The opposition may exert some influence due to the polarity, but the conjunction is by far the primary aspect to consider. Trines, sextiles and squares should therefore be discounted.
The fixed stars are only to be read to the natal and not to progressed or arc charts.
Fixed stars are irrelevant to the study of midpoints.
Py (cipher)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Py_%28cipher%29)Py is a stream cipher submitted to eSTREAM by Eli Biham and Jennifer Seberry. It is one of the fastest eSTREAM candidates at around 2.6 cycles per byte on some platforms. It has a structure a little like RC4, but adds an array of 260 32-bit words which are indexed using a permutation of bytes, and produces 64 bits in each round.
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03-06-2007, 02:20 AM
Toshiba Portege M200 60GB,
Centrino 2.0GHz, 512MB,12in, BT
Home Page > Laptops > Toshiba Portege M200 60GB, Centrino 2.0GHz,
512MB,12in, BT > Larger Image (http://www.expansys.com/zoompic.aspx?type=item&i=116651)http://i.expansys.com/i/b/b116651.jpg
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03-06-2007, 02:31 AM
3D Full Moon -nasa.gov (http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html)
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0706/3dfullmoon0611-0701_laveder720.jpg
:cool:
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auron
03-06-2007, 03:15 AM
So you like to hijack threads eh Edit? Are you on a mission? I don't think i have ever heard you speak. Just a load of copy and paste jobs.
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03-06-2007, 03:20 AM
Gamma Cyg
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0701/gammacyg_parkercarboni720.jpg
Central Cygnus
Credit & Copyright: Processing - Noel Carboni, Imaging - Greg Parker
Explanation: Supergiant star Gamma Cygni lies at the center of the Northern Cross, famous asterism in the constellation Cygnus the Swan. Known by the proper name Sadr, the bright star also lies at the center of this gorgeous skyscape, featuring a complex of stars, dust clouds, and glowing nebulae along the plane of our Milky Way galaxy. The field of view spans over 3 degrees (six Full Moons) on the sky and includes emission nebula IC 1318 and open star cluster NGC 6910. Left of Gamma Cyg and shaped like two glowing cosmic wings divided by a long dark dust lane, IC 1318's popular name is understandably the Butterfly Nebula. Above and left of Gamma Cyg, are the young, still tightly grouped stars of NGC 6910. Some distance estimates for Gamma Cyg place it at around 750 light-years while estimates for IC 1318 and NGC 6910 range from 2,000 to 5,000 light-years. Cygnus the Swan
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap070104.html
the flower - wings -- tail
bow - ferro - Zora-aster
crescent - flower -- the "head of an Arrow";
Fixed star: ASELLUS AUSTRALIS
Constellation: Delta Cancer
Longitude 1900: 07LEO19. Longitude 2000: 08LEO43.
ASELLUS BOREALIS Gamma. 06LEO09 07LEO32 +21.28' +03.11' 08h43m A0 4.7
...outstretched stars as a Yoke.
Gamma (Asellus Borealis), delta (Asellus Australis), eta, and theta were the Persian lunar station Avra-k, the Cloud, and the Coptic Ermelia, Nurturing.
In this constellation, with some slight variations as to boundaries at different times in Hindu astronomy, — gamma (Asellus Borealis) and delta (Asellus Australis) – the Aselli - always being included and occasionally eta, theta, and Praesaepe, — was located the 6th nakshatra Pushya, "Flower", or Tishiya, "Auspicious", with Brihaspati, the priest and teacher of the gods, as presiding divinity. It was sometimes figured as a "Crescent",
and again as the "head of an Arrow"; it was also called Sidhaya, "Prosperous".
The Arabic manzil Al Nathrah, the Gap in the hair under the muzzle of the supposed immense ancient Lion that the Arabs had here, was chiefly formed by Praesaepe; but later gamma (Asellus Borealis) and delta (Asellus Australis) – the Aselli - were sometimes included, when it was Al Himarain, the Two Asses, a title adopted from the Greeks. The Arabs also knew it as Al Fnm al Asad and as Al Anf al Asad, the Mouth, and the Muzzle, of the Lion, both referring to the early figure.
Inconspicuous though it be, the Babylonians used delta to mark their 13th ecliptic constellation Arku-sha-nangaru-sha-shutu, the Southeast Star in the Crab; and Brown says that the Aselli, with eta, theta, and Praesaepe, were the Akkadian Gu-shir-kes-da, the "Yoke of the Enclosure". (Allen).
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Fixed star: ADHAFERA
Constellation: Zeta Leo
Longitude 1900: 26LEO10. Longitude 2000: 27LEO34.
Declination 1900: +23.55'. Declination 2000: +23.25'.
Right ascension: 10h16m. Latitude: +11.51'.
Spectral class: F0. Magnitude: 3.6.
Suggested orb: 1 deg. approx. Planetary nature: Sat-Mer
History of the star: A double star on the crest of the Lion's mane in Leo the "Curl of the Lion's mane". It has been called Al Serpha, "the Funeral Pyre". (Robson).
The Arabic name for Adhafera is Ad-Dafirah (1), "The curl". In Arabia, this star, Adhafera (zeta) with Regulus (Alpha) Algieba (gamma), and eta (Al Jabbah) were the Arabic 8th manzil, Al Jabhah, the "Forehead". (Allen).
Etymology: ADHAFERA. Curl of the Lion's mane. It has been called the Funeral Pyre. The “pyre” could be a significant echo of the FERA element, as HeBHeR is FIRE in Hebrew (see “FIRE”). Or, the fire can merely be connected to the Leo fire sign imagery, and the lion’s mane. The mane points to the hairy PeR(GH)A or FeRA root seen in “PILE.” Arabic FaRVaH is a better source for FUR than the given [I]Old French – PILLOW is related. More than a lock of this hair is probably an Ayin-Daled-Yod, (GH)aDeeY, meaning ornament. Along with any flashy fire, this theme is likely to be a showy symbol of the subject’s gorgeous locks of hair, or even if bald, his/her curling, flowing ego. (Isaac Mozeson).[The Word dictionary, Isaac Mozeson, Edenic (Biblical Hebrew), SPI books, ISBN 15671-942-0].
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Fixed star: SADOR
Constellation: Gamma Cygnus
Longitude 1900: 23AQU28. Longitude 2000: 24AQU50.
Declination 1900: +39.56'. Declination 2000: +40.15'.
Right ascension: 20h22m. Latitude: +57.07'.
Spectral class: F8. Magnitude: 2.3.
Suggested orb: 1 deg. approx. Planetary nature: Ven-Mer
History of the star: A star in the breast of The Swan Cygnus. Sadr, or As-Sadr (1), from Arabic Al Sadr al Dajajah, "the Hen's Breast".
Christians saw in Cygnus the Cross of Calvary, Christi Crux, or Crux cum S. Helena. This Cross is formed by alpha (Deneb Adige), gamma (this star Sador), eta, and beta (Albireo), marking the upright along the Galaxy, more than 20° in length, zeta, epsilon (Gienah), gamma this star, and delta being the transverse. Gamma marks the center of the Cross.
These last (zeta, epsilon (Gienah), gamma this star, and delta) also were an Arab asterism, Al Fawaris, "the Riders"; alpha and kappa sometimes being added to the group.
Influence of the constellation: Cygnus gives a contemplative, dreamy, cultured and adaptable nature, the talents develop late. There is some love of water and swimming and the arts. By the Kabalists it is associated with the Hebrew letter Resh and the 20th Tarot Trump "Judgment". (Robson).
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Fixed star: ETAMIN Eltanin, Rastaban
Constellation: Gamma Draco
Longitude 1900: 26SAG35. Longitude 2000: 27SAG58.
History of the star: A star in the right Eye of the Dragon, Draco. It was the pole star about 3500 BC. The Arabic name for Eltanin or Etamin is At-Tinnin (1), "The great serpent". Ras Eltanim, Eltanin, Ettanin, Etannin, Etanim, Etamin, etc., is from Al Ras al Tinnin, "the Dragon's Head", applied to this, as it also is to alpha (Thuban). The word Tinnin is nearly synonymous with Thu'ban.
This star was also called Rastaben, Rasaben, Rastaban "head of the snake".
It was one of Al'Awa'id, "the Mother Camels" which was known as the Quinque Dromedarii. In the Arabic theme for this constellation the stars beta (Alwaid), gamma (this star Etamin), nu (Kuma) and xi (Grumium) in the Head of the Dragon represent four mother camels protecting a baby camel from the attack of two hyenas (eta and zeta, Nodus 1). The nomads camp located nearby (the three unnamed stars in the neck of the Dragon: upsilon, tau, and sigma).
Apet, Bast, Mut, Sekhet, and Taurt were all titles of one goddess in the Nile worship, symbolized by this star, gamma Draconis, Etamin.
It is interesting to know that the Boeotian Thebes, the City of the Dragon, from the story of its founder, Cadmus, shared with its Egyptian namesake the worship of this star in a temple dedicated, so far as its orientation shows, about 1130 BCE, a cult doubtless drawn from the parent city (Thebes) in Egypt, and adopted in Greece, as also in Italy in the little temple to Isis in Pompeii. Here, however, the city authorities interfered with this star-worship in one of their numerous raids on the astrologers, and bricked up the opening whence the star was observed.
This star, Etamin, lies almost exactly in the zenith of Greenwich, in fact, it has been called the Zenith-star in Greenwich; and, being circumpolar, descends toward the horizon, but, without disappearing. (Allen).
Influence of the constellation: "According to Ptolemy the bright stars are like Saturn and Mars. Draco gives an artistic and emotional but somber nature, a penetrating and analytical mind, much travel and many friends, but danger of robbery and accidental poisoning. It gives craft, ingenuity, and valor. The Ancients said that when a comet was here, poison was scattered over the world. By the Kabalists it is associated with the Hebrew letter Mem and the 13th Tarot Trump, Death". (Robson).
http://users.winshop.com.au/annew/new_page_1.htm
Fixed star: POLARIS Cynosura
Constellation: Alpha Ursa Minor
Longitude 1900: 27GEM10. Longitude 2000: 28GEM34.
zoroastrian-
farvahar, -- Good Thought, Good Words, Good Deeds
http://www.zoroastriankids.com/farvahar.jpg
http://www.awti.org/our-badge/farvahar.htm
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cincygirl
03-06-2007, 03:34 AM
Wow! Amazing research "I am", I was reading a book called "The dream matrix override" which touched on a few of the things you brought up, plus what I've read of the Emerald Tablets of Thoth.
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i am all i am
03-06-2007, 04:23 AM
Wow! Amazing research "I am", I was reading a book called "The dream matrix override" which touched on a few of the things you brought up, plus what I've read of the Emerald Tablets of Thoth.
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Thank you and welcome to the forum.
I am glad that it has connected with a few things for you.
I look forward to hearing more from you around the forum sunshine !!!
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cincygirl
03-06-2007, 04:37 AM
Thank you! I have been reading quite a few different threads today...soo much information! I'm happy! :)
Very nice to meet you, I'm sure we will bump into each other again.
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tinmenace
03-06-2007, 04:55 AM
Ain't love great?
http://www.globalfailure.com/images/emotes/blowbubbles.gif
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zircon
03-06-2007, 10:53 AM
Actually the stuff posted by Edit is thought-provoking, and the links to Astronomical sites are very handy.
But, Edit, can you explain what connections you are making between these astronomical observations (I notice you have highlighted certain elements in different colours) and the Toshiba laptop, and the Soma advert?
Maybe you have a connection.
It would be interesting to hear it.
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auron
03-06-2007, 06:49 PM
Actually the stuff posted by Edit is thought-provoking, and the links to Astronomical sites are very handy.
But, Edit, can you explain what connections you are making between these astronomical observations (I notice you have highlighted certain elements in different colours) and the Toshiba laptop, and the Soma advert?
Maybe you have a connection.
It would be interesting to hear it.
That's exactly what I mean. Fair enough copy and paste all you want, but at least make some comment as to why you have posted it! :)
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zircon
03-06-2007, 07:09 PM
I hope very much Edit will tell us what those thoughts are.....:rolleyes:
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04-06-2007, 09:15 AM
The traditions and lore of Australia's indigenous peoples belong to what may be the oldest continuous culture on Earth
(circa 50,000 years).
Bagadjimbiri - two brothers and creator spirits. The Bagadjimbiri eventually turned into snakes and went to live in the sky as clouds.
Bahloo - the moon spirit In Australian aboriginal mythology, Bahloo is moon man. He keeps three deadly snakes as pets.
In the tale, Bahloo takes his snakes (calling them his 'dogs') out for a walk at night. He comes upon a group of men and asks them to carry the snakes across a river for him. They were afraid, and refused, so he did it himself, with two snakes coiled around each arm and one around his neck.
Baiame - the creator spirit of many language groups of South-East Australia, such as the Kamilaroi
Baiame came down from the sky to the land, and created rivers, mountains, and forests. He then gave the people their laws of life, their traditions, their songs, and their culture. He also created the first initiatian site (called a bora).This is where boys were initiated to become men. When he had finished, he returned to the sky, and people called him the Sky Hero or the All Father.
Bobbi-Bobbi - a giant snake that lived in the sky, similar to the Rainbow Serpent.
He was a huge snake, similar to the Rainbow Snake, and was originally benevolent towards humans.
Dhakhan - the ancestral spirit of the Kabi
In Australian aboriginal mythology, Dhakhan is the ancestral god of the Kabi; he is described as a giant serpent with the tail of a giant fish.
Eingana - a creator spirit and the mother of all water, animals, and humans.
She is a snake goddess of death who lives in the Dream time.
Galeru - a rainbow snake who swallowed the Djanggawul.
Gnowee - a solar spirit who lived on Earth before there was a sun.
Gnowee's baby son wandered off while she was gathering yams, and she began searching for him, carrying a large torch. She continues to do so, and her torch is the sun.
I'wai is the culture hero of the Koko Y'ao. I'wai was a crocodilian man who brought most of the Koko Y'ao religious rites and ceremonies.
Julunggul is a rainbow snake goddess, who oversaw the maturing and initiation of boys into manhood. She was a fertility goddess, associated with rebirth and the weather.
In Australian Aboriginal mythology, specifically of the Arrernte people of Central Australia, Mangar-kunjer-kunja is a lizard god who created humans.
The Rainbow Serpent (also known as the Rainbow Snake) is a major mythological being for Aboriginal people across Australia, although the creation stories associated with it are best known from northern Australia.
Ulanji is a snake-ancestor of the Binbinga.
Ungud is a snake god who is sometimes male and sometimes female. He is associated with rainbows and the fertility and erections of the tribe's shamans.
The Wagyl (alternative spelling Waugal or Waagal) is, according to Noongar culture, a snakelike Dreamtime creature responsible for the creation of the Swan and Canning Rivers and other waterways and landforms around present day Perth and the south-west of Western Australia.
A superior being, the Rainbow Serpent created the universe and the people and delegated the Wagyl as a lesser, but nonetheless powerful deity, to create and protect the rivers, lakes, springs and the wildlife.
Walo - the (female) Sun creator spirit in Northern Australia.
The Wati-kutjara are the lizard men (totem: iguana) who originally came from a mountain in the Dream time (they later taught shamans how to use and communicate with the Dream time). They created sacred talismans (called tjurunga) and gave them to the people. They also created trees and plants, and rivers, mountains, valleys and other geographic features. They castrated the man in the moon by throwing a magical boomerang, Kidili, because he tried to rape the first woman, who then turned into the Pleiades.He then died of his wounds in a waterhole. They are known to the tribes of central-western Australia in the Great Western Desert.
Wollunqua (or Wollunka, Wollunkua) is a snake-god of rain and fertility, who emerged from a watering hole in the Murschison Mountains.
Wuriupranili is a solar goddess who carries a torch that is the sun. At the ocean to the West, she douses the torch in water and uses the glowing embers to find her way beneath the Earth back to the East again. The colours of dawn and dusk come from the ochre body paints she wears.
Yhi is a goddess of light and creation, and a solar deity. She lived in the Dream time and slept until a whistle awakened her. When she opened her eyes, light fell on the Earth.
I collected these from wikipedia. They are in no way meant to be the authority on the Aboriginal traditions and are here merely as a reference showing the connection to the serpent that is present in the Aboriginal traditions.
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07-06-2007, 05:05 PM
http://www.biblelight.net/gregoryxiii-dragon-medal-1582.jpg
The above papal medal of Pope Gregory XIII, designed by L Parm, is dated 1582, marking the year of the Gregorian calendar reform. On the reverse of the medal is a winged dragon / serpent encircling a ram's head. As previously mentioned, the dragon is the biblical symbol of Satan (Rev 12:9). The serpent that is chasing or devouring its tail is called Ouroboros, Uroboros, or Oureboros. The ram's head is also a satanic symbol, and is frequently associated with the Egyptian deities, such as the god Amon (Amoun, Ammun, Ammon), the king of all gods, who was also regarded as the sun god, and Khnum, who created mankind on his potter's wheel from the mud of the Nile.
The intended symbolic meaning, however, is undoubtedly that of Aries the Ram, the first sign of the Zodiac, which symbolizes the Vernal / Spring Equinox, and Draco / Drako (or Ouroboros) the serpent depicting a cyclical returning. Pope Gregory XIII had modified the calendar specifically so that the Vernal Equinox would remain relatively constant, on or about March 21st, which is the beginning of the Zodiacal year, when the Sun crosses the Equator and enters the astrological sign of Aries. This had the desired result of returning Easter to the time specified by the Nicene Council (325 A.D.).
http://www.geocities.com/jesuselcristos/hoaxology_09.html
And we also know that the snake is representative of Ophiuchus the (hidden) Thirteenth Astrological Star Sign.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/sex/tsf/img/10900.jpg
Serpent worship in early Christian art.
http://williamhenry.net/images/c2c_p2.jpg
Yahweh is the serpent that curls around the prophets.
His head is at the lower right at the bottom of his column or pillar.
Yahweh/God is froming a G as can be seen in the image below, which is used by the freemasons.
http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/2006/03mar/masonserpent.jpg
The name ouroboros (or, in Latinized form, uroborus) is Greek οὐροβóρος, "tail-devourer". The depiction of the serpent is believed to have been inspired by the Milky Way, as some ancient texts refer to a serpent of light residing in the heavens.
Lucifer is a Latin word meaning "light-bearer" (from lux, lucis, "light", and ferre, "to bear, bring"), a Roman astrological term for the "Morning Star", the planet Venus.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer
We are told that Jesus was a carpenter, but was he ?
The idea that he was a carpenter depends on one single reference in Mark's Gospel "Is not this the carpenter the son of Mary?"
But the Greek word 'tekton' and the underlying Aramaic word 'naggara' does not mean carpenter but more correctly translated "master builder or stone mason."
http://www.jordanmaxwell.com/articles/religion/religion4.html
Revelation 22:16 (KJV) "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."
Revelation 22:16 (NIV) "I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star."
2 Peter 1:19 (New International Version) "19And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts."
So, the morning star, masonic, snake-image, Yahweh, Jesus, etc., are all one and the same thing !!!
http://www.norwegian-pentagram.com/images/flamel-5.jpg
Jesus as the crucified serpent.
By current report it's a copy from the ancient
"The Book of Abraham the Jew"
found during the 14th century.
http://www.salt.org.il/serpent.gif
Moses interceded with God and was instructed:
"Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live"
(Numbers 21:8).
http://williamhenry.net/images/c2c_p8.jpg
Jesus as a serpent-god from bas-relief in Egypt.
This drawing was made by a member of Napoleon's army in 1798, one hundred years before the same face appeared to the world `for the first time ever' on the photograph of the Shroud of Turin.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4a/France_Paris_Notre-Dame-Adam_and_Eve.jpg/416px-France_Paris_Notre-Dame-Adam_and_Eve.jpg
Adam, Eve, and the (female) Serpent at the entrance to Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris. Medieval Christian art often depicted the Edenic Serpent as a woman, thus both emphasizing the Serpent's seductiveness as well as its relationship to Eve. (This connection might be due do the influence of Lilith, as well.) Several early Church Fathers, including Clement of Alexandria and Eusebius of Caesarea, interpreted the Hebrew "Heva" as not only the name of Eve, but in its aspirated form as "female serpent."
http://www.sign2god.com/folders/vaticaan/vatiscan-kl.jpg
The Vatican's Crest: the 'snake-/dragon' as displayed in the Vatican Museum...
The word 'vatican' comes from Latin and is a contraction of two words in the following way:
'Vatis' = 'prophetic' or 'diviner'
'Can' = 'serpent/snake'
These two words combined make:
'the prophetic- or made divine serpent'
The Vaticaan is a place, so you may say, that 'Vatican' means 'the place of the prophetic- and worshipped serpent'.
http://www.sign2god.com/folders/vati...ticaan-en.html
The Phoenician serpent god, alias Basilisk. The serpent, as well as the image of the sun, is always a phallic symbol in ancient religion. Basilisk is where the Roman Catholic Church got the name-- St. Peter's Basilica. Basilica is the old Greek name for the temple of the phallic god. How appropriate this is in view of the perpetual obsessions of the priests of "Mother Church." It also is well complimented by the obelisk in St. Peter's square which is a world wide phallic symbol complete with the phallic ball on top.
The term "seraph" has worried Biblical translators and commentators over the years. It is translated as "fiery serpent" in the King James version.
NAMES OF THE GODDESS
Aphrodite / Baalith / Bride / Dawn / Diana / Eire / Gaea / Hel / Hellene / Ishtar / Isis / Lilith / Lucifer / Maia / Mari / Minerva / Mother / Persephone / Queen of Heaven / Queen of the Night / Sophia / Venus...etc.
http://www.big.com.au/fallen/gnam.html
So who is it that the multitudes of christians throughout the world truly worship ???
Who is the BRIDE that the groom is married to within the christian ritual of marriage and who is the contract with
(to death do us part) ???
Is it the same as the "God/Goddess" that they worship ???
Astrological theology, or astro-theology, may tell us more than who it is that the christians worship. Understanding the representations may tell us about the history of humanity, our connection with the universe, who the "Gods" of ancient religions are and what role they have played in the evolution of life on this planet.
With LOVE.
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lottie
07-06-2007, 05:19 PM
Excellent post IAAIA!! really enjoyed reading that- probably learned more in that post than 4 yrs at a church of england school!! thankyou!! :)
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i am all i am
07-06-2007, 05:35 PM
Excellent post IAAIA!! really enjoyed reading that- probably learned more in that post than 4 yrs at a church of england school!! thankyou!! :)
You are welcome gorgeous.
I would have loved to have had all the images together to start with, but as I said in the first post it is a work in progress. I thought that if I didn't start the thread that it would be left in a word document without ever getting done.
Anyway, thanks for taking the time to read it. Be prepared though, there is more to come...well, when I get it all sorted out that is.
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edit
13-06-2007, 12:54 PM
I hope very much Edit will tell us what those thoughts are.....:rolleyes:
welll...its like an elixir of youth (http://www.transdniestria.com/independent-transdniestria-news/an-elixir-of-youth-for-regional-cooperation-in-the-black-sea.html), Soma & Technologies cooperations (http://www.raulamon.org/supplements/stamina.htm)... Strings With Great Tone and Long Life... ELIXIR® Strings (http://www.elixirstrings.com/)...or Stars & Trails Pan-o-rama...360 degree.. :p SEE >
Astronomy Picture of the Day (http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/astropix.html)
2007 June 13
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0706/startrails_ward.jpg
Warped Sky: Star Trails Panorama
Credit & Copyright: Peter Ward
Explanation: What's happened to the sky? A time warp, of sorts, and a digital space warp too. The time warp occurs because the above image captured in a single frame a four hour exposure of the night sky. Prominent and picturesque star trails are visible. The space warp occurs because the above image is actually a full 360 degree panorama, horizontally compressed to fit your browser. As the Earth rotated, stars appeared to circle both the South Celestial Pole, on the left, and the North Celestial Pole, which occurs just below the horizon on the right. The above image captured the sky over Mudgee, New South Wales, Australia, including the domes of two large telescopes artificially lit by red light. A horizontally unwarped image is visible by clicking on the above image.
Tomorrow's picture: open space
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peter19
29-06-2007, 09:18 PM
this thread is quality, thanks for starting it iam all i am. i just want to say really its abit funny because my star sign is this new one according to that (iv forgot its name) but something with the right eye, my right eye is slightly diffrent from my left, which links in with some of the posts.
im starting to think i must be Horus (if thats hes name) :D
.... as the illuminati kick me door in lol.
nah but im sorry i cant add much to this thread, just abit of support, its a good thread.
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i am all i am
30-06-2007, 05:02 AM
this thread is quality, thanks for starting it iam all i am. i just want to say really its abit funny because my star sign is this new one according to that (iv forgot its name) but something with the right eye, my right eye is slightly diffrent from my left, which links in with some of the posts.
im starting to think i must be Horus (if thats hes name) :D
.... as the illuminati kick me door in lol.
nah but im sorry i cant add much to this thread, just abit of support, its a good thread.
G'day Peter19.
Support is a great thing to add and I appreciate it. I am glad that you've gotten something from the thread.
I have swapped from the computer to a laptop and I am at this moment transferring the files that I had more information on about this thread. So I will be adding more soon, although I am going away for a while in a couple of days, I will endeavour to get back to this thread and keep the information coming.
I remember a bit of info from here that apparently 1 in 20 people are actually born under the star sign of Ophiuchus. So there is a few people like yourself that have been born under this sign and didn't know about it.
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harbingers_kiss
16-07-2007, 04:59 PM
This thread is amazing. Thank you ! Do you happen to know anything about the central constellation the spider ? Seems I read about it in a graham hancock book. Is that anything relevant ?
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delmul
15-08-2007, 09:00 AM
asian countries although following solar/georgian calendar for everyday life, business. use the lunar calendar for religous ceremonies.
this is a cool thread. i never realised the 13th sign existed etc. will have to read this in depth, great find.also goddess worhip, more based on the feminine qulaity of creation/birth than actual gender of enitities. also perfect pr, a vengeful god with a nice womanly facade.
My wife is from Ethiopia and she claims there are 13 months...
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grackle
24-09-2007, 11:46 PM
There is NO 13th constellation.
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deviadah
29-09-2007, 09:23 PM
Jesus as the crucified serpent. By current report it's a copy from the ancient "The Book of Abraham the Jew", found during the 14th century.
This is an alchemical image you include here from a great alchemist known as Flamel. Alchemy is about coming into contact with the divine, nothing sinister there. I am aware of the reptilian conspiracy... but I don't see it as black and white. There are two sides to this coin.
The Serpent Holder, the double helix, are only visual representations of DNA... and DNA is the Lost Speech of mankind... one can directly influence ones own DNA with deep meditation an achieve both telepathy and astral travel.
I think it is important to seperate Reptilian-Bush with this arcane and ancient gnosis that can aid us all in tearing down these walls of facism and form a better world!
A lot of interesting fact in this thread, but not enough Synergy! From the bottom of my heart let us not go blindly into this... or we will get lost like the masses!
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i am all i am
30-09-2007, 04:45 AM
This is an alchemical image you include here from a great alchemist known as Flamel. Alchemy is about coming into contact with the divine, nothing sinister there. I am aware of the reptilian conspiracy... but I don't see it as black and white. There are two sides to this coin.
The Serpent Holder, the double helix, are only visual representations of DNA... and DNA is the Lost Speech of mankind... one can directly influence ones own DNA with deep meditation an achieve both telepathy and astral travel.
I think it is important to seperate Reptilian-Bush with this arcane and ancient gnosis that can aid us all in tearing down these walls of facism and form a better world!
A lot of interesting fact in this thread, but not enough Synergy! From the bottom of my heart let us not go blindly into this... or we will get lost like the masses!
I LOVE YOU.
G'day Deviadah.
Black and white, two side of a coin, both are dualities. The coin is one, as black ad white are both colour. The information supplied here on this thread is about the origins of the hidden knowledge of astrology that has been kept from the masses. It also has the possibility, through observing the links throughout each and every culture, of providing us with an understanding of our origins on this planet.
The allegory of Ophiucus could also apply to the hidden control of knowledge of the DNA that has been suppressed throughout history. The Hebrew language, known of as the 'Word of God', is based on 22 letters/glyphs, which comes from a representation of the DNA strand. A more complete understanding of this and the alchemical aspect of the serpent is discussed in the thread on the below link.
http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2119
DNA and the Origins of Knowledge
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deviadah
30-09-2007, 10:31 AM
I know all about that stuff already!
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mynameis
30-09-2007, 03:59 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJzDiZlqFgA
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30-09-2007, 05:10 PM
I know all about that stuff already!
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deviadah
30-09-2007, 10:48 PM
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kuro
06-11-2007, 06:40 AM
This is really interesting, the spider has always been the 13th star sign in my opinion, if anyones interested Edgar Cayce does a lot of writing on it
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janus666
10-11-2007, 10:57 AM
The spider is often seen as the 'symbol' for the weaver of the web of illusion. She sits at the centre of the web and symbolises those who have transcended the great wheel of the zodiac i.e the individual who is not ruled by these forces and has become egoless, beyond the tides of duality and who has returned to that which informs all etc. She, the spider goddess,(not a conspiracy, or monster coming to get us all) feels all the vibrations from the different strands but sits silently, unmoved. Her poison is the poison of death, 'daath' meaning knowledge in the scheme of the tree of Life. We all fear death, but death is the great liberator. Puberty is death on one level, sleep is death, transcendence is the ultimate death. For physical death leads to another mode of dualistic existance( just like sleep) which is still illusory and must be transmuted to a state of unity.Do you know you are dreaming, do you know you are dead i.e shifted a dimension.
That which you think is going to kill you actually cures you. All things that will liberate are seen as monsters. For liberation is change and we all fear change! If we knew what was on the other side we'd be there already.
As I understand it the Star signs are aspects of self, sigils outlining the qualities and diversity of consciousness. Also they are the key to the mechanism of the unfolding of consciousness i.e the elements in different modes ruled by other concepts. To complex to go into in detail. The sins of the zodiac are sigils. Actual meditation on them individually without the chattering mind coupled with the actual practice of ceremonial magick and study of the Qabalistic texts, the sepher yetzirah,the Zohar, Crowleys 777, Frater Achads Q.B.L besides others, will help initiate into our own mysterious existance and bring great truths.
There is a similar symbolism in some Buddhist philosophies that uses the idea that we are all on the rim of a wheel. Attainment through meditation projects you to the centre of the wheel where you are able to see all parts of the wheel equally. Where as on the rim of the wheel you are partial and imbalanced, in the centre you are still and complete.Hence solar consciousness. THe sun is at the centre of the wheel. Hence the halos around images from antiquityof those supposed to have attained.(In my book it's best ignore the dogma that has enveloped these symbols).They are not evil, they are a symbol. The mystery schools have always shown that we are the animals and it is inevitable that we use them to describe the experience of being. For as Austin Spare beautifully reminds us, 'all nature is a vast reflection of that which is within us or else we could not know it. People seem to get so upset when they see a spider or a snake coupled with a human and start thinking about their deaths etc. For death is coming and just maybe a snake might bite us! Fear arrives. and scrambles our abitity to understand. Meditation is key. Ritual is key( yes ritual aint bad). These will help stop the chattering mind and direct the individual to seeing how things really are. I.e the immortal nature of the transcended self.
Where are you now? what is around you, how far does your consciousness spread inwardly and outwardly? This is all you. You are the spider at the centre of the web!
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alice1111
10-01-2008, 05:19 PM
Ophiuchus: Cursing the profane in their ashes and those who follow their ways; returning from the darkness while making the gesture of horror at the abyss into which I had plunged. Here is the proof that I knew the secret of the Seal of SOLOMON and I had visited the secret palaces of the QUEEN. Take heed my friend, do not add or take away one iota; think and think again, the base lead of my words may contain the purist gold.
Taken from Le Serpent Rouge
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chandrakavi
14-02-2008, 06:43 AM
The Thirteenth Astrological Star Sign
http://www.ianridpath.com/startales/image/ophiuchus.JPG
Ophiuchus (pronounced off-ee-YOO-cuss) represents a man with a snake coiled around his waist. He holds the head of the snake in his left hand and its tail in his right hand. The snake is represented by the constellation Serpens.
http://www.ianridpath.com/startales/ophiuchus.htm
The Zodiac
The 12 “star signs” the astrologers use are the constellations that fall on the ecliptic, otherwise referred to as the zodiac. The ecliptic is merely the path the sun seems to follow as the earth revolves around it. So, if on a certain date you looked at the sun, the current “star sign” would be the constellation directly behind the Sun.
Star Sign (Constellation).............Date
Sagittarius........................Nov 22 Dec 21
Capricornus.......................Dec 22 Jan 19
Aquarius...........................Jan 20 Feb 18
Pisces..............................Feb 19 Mar 20
Aries................................Mar 21 Apr 19
Taurus.............................Apr 20 May 20
Gemini..............................May 21 Jun 21
Cancer.............................Jun 22 Jul 22
Leo..................................Jul 23 Aug 22
Virgo................................Aug 23 Sep 22
Libra................................Sep 23 Oct 22
Scorpius...........................Oct 23 Nov 21
The zodiac is “A belt on the celestial sphere, about 8° either side of the ecliptic, which forms the background for the motions of the Sun, Moon, and planets.” The ecliptic passes through more than 12 constellations, it passes through 13, the thirteenth being Ophiuchus. Why do the astrologers ignore poor old Ophiuchus? Probably because it is not a particularly bright constellation. But that does not change the fact that the ecliptic passes through 13 constellations, not 12.
Star Sign (Constellation)..............Date
Sagittarius.........................Dec 18 Jan 18
Capricornus........................Jan 19 Feb 15
Aquarius............................Feb 16 Mar 11
Pisces...............................Mar 12 Apr 18
Aries.................................Apr 19 May 13
Taurus..............................May 14 Jun 19
Gemini...............................Jun 20 Jul 20
Cancer..............................Jul 21 Aug 09
Leo...................................Aug 10 Sep 15
Virgo.................................Sep 16 Oct 30
Libra.................................Oct 31 Nov 22
Scorpius............................Nov 23 Nov 29
Ophiuchus..........................Nov 30 Dec 17
http://www.aqua.co.za/assa_jhb/Canopus/c979zodi.htm
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http://www.big.com.au/fallen/ophiciana.jpg
The solar year has a little more than 364 days. The lunar month has just over 29 days. To reconcile these awkward figures the ancient astronomers devised a calendar of thirteen equal months, each of 28 days or four equal weeks. This calendar is all but regular, with the full moon falling one day and one hour later each month, and with only a small correction to be made at the end of the year.
The lunar months (or 'moon ths'), were represented in the skies by the constellations of the zodiac; and on the ground by a circle of trees in the sacred grove. Twelve of the signs of the zodiac are familiar to us from the astrology columns in the daily newspapers, but what happened to the thirteenth, and what was its symbol? This question can be answered by consulting the works of the ancient astronomers. Ptolemy of Alexandria gives the name of the constellation, and also the bearing and magnitude of the stars which form it. The constellation was called Ophicius (in Greek) and Serpentarius (in Latin). Both names mean 'snake-holder', and refer to the pythoness, the high priestess of the goddess temples. The symbol of this sign, a bare-breasted woman holding snakes, occurred in the Sumerian; Minoan, and other cultures of the Archaic period. Thus the missing month, the month that we disrupted an orderly calendar to avoid, was the month of the Goddess
Less familiar is the forgotten thirteenth sign, which lies "betwixt" them, Ophicius, the Snake-Holder, the symbol of which was a goddess or priestess brandishing two snakes, and which connoted the most important new moon in the goddess' lunar calendar. Milton, who also wrote the Book of Common Prayer used by Protestant congregations, has told us here in cryptic form that he was mindful that the Christian Satan (aka the Devil), was a new name given to an older but unmentionable deity, the goddess.
http://www.big.com.au/fallen/thirteen.html
Ophiuchus (IPA: [ˌoʊfiˈjukəs]), formerly referred to as Serpentarius (IPA: [ˌsɚpənˈtʰeɹiəs]), the former originating in the Greek language and the latter in the Latin language, both meaning "serpent-holder,"…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ophiuchus
More here...http://www.crystalinks.com/ophiuchus.html
THE WORD OBEAH
Now, while it is true that the ORIGIN of the word is indeed obscured and clouded in secrecy, it is primarily because Obeah, as implied above, is in itself clouded in secrecy --- being the remnant of a once very powerful and celebrated SECRET religious Order lost in the mist of time. Even so, slowly over the years clues have surfaced that indicate THAT particular secret religious Order emanated from a certain general geographical area. Those clues, few in number that they may be, strongly point to the fact that the Order originated in or around an area where the Egyptian language was either born, dominant, or used by the priests or religious class --- much as Latin is used by certain religious orders today --- with the power and knowledge of Obeah maintained and rising from the underground ashes of that dispersed Order over the centuries. Considering such a background, it is very probable the etymology of the word sprang from the Egyptian word Ob or Aub, meaning "serpent." Oph is a winged serpent or dragon; and Ab means wisdom/understanding, and together means "Serpent of Wisdom" or "Serpent of Knowledge." To this day Obion is still the Egyptian name for a serpent.....
Moses, who escaped with his people out of Egypt with the full might of the Pharaoh's army hot on their heels all the way to the Red Sea --- where the army reportedly then drowned --- forbade in the name of God, the Israelites even to enquire about the demon Ob, which is translated in the first testament as a necromancer, wizard, or Diviner. In today's world the various translations are wide enough to encompass the type shaman-sorcerer that the infamous Yaqui Indian Don Juan Matus apprenticed under, a Diablero, a new-world tribal spiritual elder known to embody a sense of evilness and the ability to shapeshift. Moses himself carries a great deal of importance in all those translations, including right up to this day with Obeah. Even though Moses forbade enquiry into Ob amongst his people, he is seen as the ultimate snake-charmer and among the greatest of magicians. When Moses doubted he was really hearing the voice of God, he was asked what he was holding in his hand. When he replied that he was holding a rod, he is commanded to throw it to the ground. When he does, the rod becomes a serpent. When he picks it up it becomes a rod again. Later, under the direction of Moses, when Aaron throws his rod down before Pharaoh, it becomes a snake as well.(Exodus 7:1-16).....
Throughout the ancient world, the Middle East and Egypt, because of the brilliantly clear desert night skys, the stars and the constellations carried deep significance, both for the wandering tribes such as those following Moses and the great civilizations and city-states such as Babylonia, Sumeria, and Egypt. Ophiuchus the Serpent Bearer is one of those desert-sky constellations. Most people pretty much know what the Zodiac is --- the constellations on the plane of the ecliptic through which the sun passes in the course of a year --- and what their "Sun Sign" is in relation to the Zodiac (i.e., Sagittarius, Taurus, etc.). What most people don't know is that there are actually thirteen Sun Signs, NOT twelve. According to the official modern constellation boundaries that astronomers use today, the sun passes through thirteen constellations, not twelve. The Greeks chose to remove one of the original thirteen constellations from the Zodiac in order to accomplish their desire to have each sign rule for an even 30º of sky, so they selected Ophiuchus to be eliminated. It can only be because of his origins in Egypt as one of their most powerful dieties, on par with Osiris and Thoth, all of whom answered only to Ra. Mysteriously enough, just like Obeah is secret, hidden, and unknown, the "thirteenth constellation" of the Zodiac, Ophiuchus the Serpent Bearer is secret, hidden, and unknown. About one person in twenty is an "Ophiuchus," and they don't even know it.....
The peoples of ancient times (most typically the Pythagoreans, but others as well) had a legend that a kind of Light, described as a "living fire," flowed through all living things. Guarding this Flame was the serpent Ophioneus, very similar in respects to his nearly same namesake Ophiuchus. He was said to lay coiled in the Waters of Life. If anyone obstructed or hindered the Light of the Flame, Ophioneus would rise out of the water like a monster and consume them. The Greek philosopher Pherecydes (circa 600-550 BC) wrote a great deal about Ophioneus, having obtained the doctrines from the Phoenicians, also known as Ophites (Greece was first colonized by Ophites, serpent worshippers from both Egypt and Phoenicia). The Ophites venerated a serpent by the deity-title Ab, sometimes rendered Ob and Ob Aur, meaning Father --- as in the procreator of All. They also had the watery serpent Leviathan or Thiavat, which is same as Ophioneus. All of this ties into Abaddon that appears in Revelations as the Angel of the Abyss. It is unclear if the forces of the Abyss are fully good or evil in any way. The Obic forces that guard the Light and keep it flowing apparently take it by whatever means necessary and return it back to where it belongs when a person fails to let it flow or obstructs it.....
http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/awakening101/obeah2.html
http://www.charlottesweb-atl.com/ophiuchus.jpg
http://www.wordinfo.info/words/images/aesculapias-staff-snake.gif http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/Medicine/AsklepiosPrize.jpg http://www.revelations.org.za/images/AesculapianStaff.gif
Ophiuchus in the Arts
Today a cult of followers of all ages have kept him immortal so that we could look back on him today and see an image of Ophiuchus the Serpent Holder as he might have appeared during the ...
http://www.startistics.com/astronomology/oph/ophinart.htm
ASCLEPIUS : Greek god of medicine & doctors ; mythology ; pictures ...
Asklepios was afterwards placed amongst the stars as the Constellation Ophiuchus (the Serpent Bearer ... CULT OF ASKLEPIOS. See the Cult of Asklepios page ...
http://www.theoi.com/Ouranios/Asklepios.html
Ophiuchus or Serpentarius
Myth and history: Ophiuchus Serpentarius , is Ofiuco with the Italians, Schlangentrager (Snake Bearer ... Mar 26th 1997 The bodies of 39 members of the Heaven's Gate techno-religious cult who'd ...
http://users.winshop.com.au/annew/Ophiuchus.html
Ophiuchus Constellation
... that the constellation represents Asclepius or Aesculapius, the healer of Greek myth whose cult was closely associated with serpents. This identification is by no means certain. Stars: Ophiuchus is a ...
http://home.xtra.co.nz/hosts/Wingmakers/Ophiuchus.html
eSky: Ophiuchus
The group of stars has been known by the name Ophiuchus for two thousand years or more. ... that the constellation represents Asclepius or Aesculapius, the healer of Greek myth whose cult ...
http://www.glyphweb.com/esky/constellations/ophiuchus.html
This is a work in progress. Please feel free to add your own research to this thread.
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deliciously_fresh
14-02-2008, 02:02 PM
Does anyone know of any modern-day astrologists who refer to 13 star signs rather than the standard 12?
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chandrakavi
14-02-2008, 07:32 PM
Well as far as I know, the astrologists i have met refer to the 12 signs of the zodiac,
They say that the 13th sign is a mixture of scorpio and sagitarius combined.
I know a few that talk about the 13th sign, but are few. Although the explanation is quite interesting, and has to be considered. :) :D
EDIT: Since it is a mixture of 2 signs the ESENCE IS NOT NEW.
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deliciously_fresh
14-02-2008, 08:58 PM
Well as far as I know, the astrologists i have met refer to the 12 signs of the zodiac,
They say that the 13th sign is a mixture of scorpio and sagitarius combined.
I know a few that talk about the 13th sign, but are few. Although the explanation is quite interesting, and has to be considered. :) :D
Thanks. :)
According to the info, I'm an Ophiuchus (my birthday is early December) and not really a Sagittarius. Would it make sense for me to still read horoscopes for Sag people? :confused:
Or should I read the Scorpio horoscope as well? :confused:
I wonder what my gemstone would be, and what traits us Ophie people possess. :)
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chandrakavi
14-02-2008, 09:14 PM
Well in order to keep YOU, and take care of number one happy, you have to have a chart with the sun-sign of Ophiucus and your rising sign, moon and your 12 houses. Don't know if it says so about the gem stone further in the thread.
Happy research!! :D :D
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deliciously_fresh
14-02-2008, 09:17 PM
Well in order to keep YOU, and take care of number one happy, you have to have a chart with the sun-sign of Ophiucus and your rising sign, moon and your 12 houses. Don't know if it says so about the gem stone further in the thread.
Happy research!! :D :D
I'm sure it will be incredibly easy. :rolleyes::cool:
:D
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astral_girl
14-02-2008, 09:22 PM
i guess this means im no longer a capricorn................i had my chart done as well ........
15th of jan -and im sag rising sign with gemini moon -and guess what my 2 sons -well ones a sag the other a gemini -very strange i think ...........:p
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dizzykush
14-02-2008, 10:57 PM
Mmm interesting..
My birthday is dec 15th, so now i know why the tabloid zodiacs are always so wrong!:)
does anybody know what year this was changed, pope gregory was around 15th centry wasnt he?
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2013
14-02-2008, 11:27 PM
i guess this means im no longer a capricorn................i had my chart done as well ........
15th of jan -and im sag rising sign with gemini moon -and guess what my 2 sons -well ones a sag the other a gemini -very strange i think ...........:p
I found that looking at the charts of families that signs run thru them like this often also if you dont have any particular sign or elelment in your chart then your children will have it as balance .Check out the site www.astro.com free horoscope charts you get a reading each day based on the complete chart and every thursday the whole aspects of the chart , you can pay to join and have access all the time .Also it gives year ahead forcasts love signs and compatability charts with all types of chart casting and the asteriods and othe planetary bodies included if you wish a huge amount of info to keep you busy on there :D
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deliciously_fresh
14-02-2008, 11:40 PM
I found that looking at the charts of families that signs run thru them like this often also if you dont have any particular sign or elelment in your chart then your children will have it as balance .Check out the site www.astro.com free horoscope charts you get a reading each day based on the complete chart and every thursday the whole aspects of the chart , you can pay to join and have access all the time .Also it gives year ahead forcasts love signs and compatability charts with all types of chart casting and the asteriods and othe planetary bodies included if you wish a huge amount of info to keep you busy on there :D
I've just been searching this site. It's pretty cool and informative.
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cloudgazer
14-02-2008, 11:59 PM
This is interesting.....
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chandrakavi
15-02-2008, 12:37 AM
Mmm interesting..
My birthday is dec 15th, so now i know why the tabloid zodiacs are always so wrong!:)
does anybody know what year this was changed, pope gregory was around 15th centry wasnt he?
Hi Dizzykush!
Well the tabloids even having today's information, would be wrong nonethe less,
theirs is not serious ASTROLOGY, it is superficial, meant to entertain people, same as magazines.
We have to dig into serious astrologists, like Liz Greene, if you are a beginer,, try reading SUN-SIGNS by LINDA GOODMAN, neither one talks about the thirteenth sign. would be a good idea to look in the Public library on the subject.
If there is material on it.
If you want to see some spiritual astrology, try reading HIDDEN MYSTERIES by OSHO,
a 233 small book that deals with the mysteries of Eastern Temples, Alchemy of pilgrimage,
occult science of the third Eye, transforming power of Idols, Astrology: the science of
cosmic Onenness, astrology : a door to religiousness.
Must be interesting what astrologist of the world have to say on this. Research needed. Would also be interesting to have a new astrological
chart made.
Best to us all.
:D :)
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dizzykush
15-02-2008, 08:03 AM
Hi Dizzykush!
Well the tabloids even having today's information, would be wrong nonethe less,
theirs is not serious ASTROLOGY, it is superficial, meant to entertain people, same as magazines.
We have to dig into serious astrologists, like Liz Greene, if you are a beginer,, try reading SUN-SIGNS by LINDA GOODMAN, neither one talks about the thirteenth sign. would be a good idea to look in the Public library on the subject.
If there is material on it.
If you want to see some spiritual astrology, try reading HIDDEN MYSTERIES by OSHO,
a 233 small book that deals with the mysteries of Eastern Temples, Alchemy of pilgrimage,
occult science of the third Eye, transforming power of Idols, Astrology: the science of
cosmic Onenness, astrology : a door to religiousness.
Must be interesting what astrologist of the world have to say on this. Research needed. Would also be interesting to have a new astrological
chart made.
Best to us all.
:D :)
Thanks alot chandrakav, Im reading the Osho text at the mo, quite hard to read in this link http://www.oshoworld.com/onlinebooks/BookXMLMain.asp?BookName=translations+from+hindi/hidden%20mysteries.txt
Someone needs to learn about block sentences in this doc! lol.
;)
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2013
15-02-2008, 02:26 PM
Hi Dizzykush!
Well the tabloids even having today's information, would be wrong nonethe less,
theirs is not serious ASTROLOGY, it is superficial, meant to entertain people, same as magazines.
We have to dig into serious astrologists, like Liz Greene, if you are a beginer,, try reading SUN-SIGNS by LINDA GOODMAN, neither one talks about the thirteenth sign. would be a good idea to look in the Public library on the subject.
If there is material on it.
If you want to see some spiritual astrology, try reading HIDDEN MYSTERIES by OSHO,
a 233 small book that deals with the mysteries of Eastern Temples, Alchemy of pilgrimage,
occult science of the third Eye, transforming power of Idols, Astrology: the science of
cosmic Onenness, astrology : a door to religiousness.
Must be interesting what astrologist of the world have to say on this. Research needed. Would also be interesting to have a new astrological
chart made.
Best to us all.
:D :)
Liz Greene does charts thru astro.com check it out if you havent .Also linda goodmans sunsigns was the first astrology book i ever read .A friend of mine lent me gooberz and some other linda goodman books interesting reading .I liked the way she said that your name made into anagrams or using some or all letters from it said something about your personality .For example if oyur name could form the words not a liar or no liar etc it menat you could be trusted. Tony Blair ? That knocks that one on the head then .Pity because it seemed quiet a good system otherwise :D
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chandrakavi
17-02-2008, 02:27 AM
Liz Greene does charts thru astro.com check it out if you havent .Also linda goodmans sunsigns was the first astrology book i ever read .A friend of mine lent me gooberz and some other linda goodman books interesting reading .I liked the way she said that your name made into anagrams or using some or all letters from it said something about your personality .For example if oyur name could form the words not a liar or no liar etc it menat you could be trusted. Tony Blair ? That knocks that one on the head then .Pity because it seemed quiet a good system otherwise :D
Thanks for the information on Liz Greene, will check it out.
Yes, Linda Goodman has some very good insights too.
If you want to go more into depth in Astrology try reading: THE TWELVE HOUSES,
An introduction to the houses in astrological interpretation.
Edited by THE AQUARIAN PRESS
Wellingborough, Northamptonshire, U.K., 1985
Introduction by Liz Greene
AUTHOR: HOWARD SASPORTAS.
Around 421 pages.
Also a good Astrology author is: DANE RUDHYARD
in a way of spiritual Astrology. HAs lots of books written, check them out.
Here is a quote of Rudhyard:
"Truly, it can be said that it is not the person tha happens
to the Happening, it is the happening that happens to the person."
Astrology is really interesting. You can spend a lifetime reading, and learning,
and leave this world with still something more that needed to be learned. It is fascinating.
:) :) :D :D :D :D
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chandrakavi
17-02-2008, 02:37 AM
Thanks alot chandrakav, Im reading the Osho text at the mo, quite hard to read in this link http://www.oshoworld.com/onlinebooks/BookXMLMain.asp?BookName=translations+from+hindi/hidden%20mysteries.txt
Someone needs to learn about block sentences in this doc! lol.
;)
YEah saw it, hope they do a better job on block sentences.It is great that they have it though, because it is a book translated from Hindi to English.
:D :D :D :D
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chandrakavi
17-02-2008, 03:11 AM
"The 13th page document included short prose poems
corresponding to each sign of the Zodiac and it listed 13 signs.
It called the extra one, Ophiuchus (The Serpent Holder), which it placed between Scorpio and Sagittarius. The most important number to the Templars was 13 and this will
become more and more relevant as the story unfolds. I have longed believed that there were originally, 13 signs of the Zodiac." THE BIGGEST SECRET by David Icke page 148.
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chandrakavi
19-02-2008, 03:46 AM
A good astrology book to read, is: THE FOUR ELEMENTS by Stephen Arroyo
really interesting. :D
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them
21-02-2008, 01:27 PM
I’ve been researching some of the symbols that appear in this thread. I think that serpents and reptiles have been covered by many, and for some reason I just decided to take a closer look at the EAGLE.
The Eagle permeates so much of our daily lives through symbolism, and I could fill 10 pages with examples, but I think that most people would immediately agree on this, and so I’ll skip right over pointing out the obvious.
Instead I’d like to focus more on who this Eagle is, and what he means.
I’d like to start by looking at the animal. There was a time where, in England, "EAGLE" referred specifically to the Golden Eagle. So, although the Eagle that floods the symbolism in America is supposedly the Bald Eagle, I feel as though the very source of Eagle symbolism comes from the Golden Eagle, starting with Aetos Dios – which I will come to later a little further down.
The Eagle is mainly an Old World animal, and only two species appear in North America; the Bald Eagle and the Golden Eagle. The scientific name for the Golden Eagle is Aquila Chrysaetos. (Christ?)
There are other species of Eagle that occur in North America.
The Steller Sea eagle, for example. Most juvenile Eagles look alike. It can be a bit of a nightmare differentiating between the various species until they moult into full adult plumage. Sometimes that can take five years..
http://www.wunderground.com/data/wximagenew/p/pincollector1/511.jpg
Steller Eagles also occur in Eastern Russia. It's amazing how far some birds migrate.
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chandrakavi
21-02-2008, 10:47 PM
There are other species of Eagle that occur in North America.
The Steller Sea eagle, for example. Most juvenile Eagles look alike. It can be a bit of a nightmare differentiating between the various species until they moult into full adult plumage. Sometimes that can take five years..
http://www.wunderground.com/data/wximagenew/p/pincollector1/511.jpg
Steller Eagles also occur in Eastern Russia. It's amazing how far some birds migrate.
I love the eagle symbol, seeing things from above, clearly. Also used for the Scorpio sign. Nice post.
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